MMA RANKINGS - CHAPTER 1...

KingsOwn19 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

KingsOwn19 wrote:

your shitting me. Werdum was getting crushed in the stand up untill Bigfoot followed him to the ground and wore himself out. That's when he started eating knees. Werdum is not a bad striker, he's not "one dimensional".

what, Werdum is a high level striker?

Perhaps one dimensional was a bit strong. but only a bit.

Excuse me. Please...highlight the part of my post where i said he was a high level striker. Damn capt...

i implied he can hold his own...and he can. I consider one dimensional somebody who can't stand up at all...like Aoki for instance. That's not Werdum. He can utilize leg kicks pretty well.

like many he's a high level jj guy with below avg striking.

captain organic wrote:

1)Fedor
2)Rogers
3)Overeem
4)Werdum
5)AA
6)Lashley
7)Big foot
8)Rosario
9)Cormier
10)johnson

really I should switch AA and Werdum, no way Werdum beats Fedor and AA will prob beat silva.

Remembering that fight, he almost had Werdum done, until he walked into that guillotine

Kyle landed two pretty clean punches and Werdum took him down and submitted him in like a minute i think...or Werdum fell back and submitted Kyle in a minute.

but Kyle is a strong striker. Thats why he's in the sport..he's better and faster than Werdum in that department. He's not a HW.

I just don't see Werdum has hapless on his feet. He can score points upwards with leg kicks and such. Thats better than one dimensional though against some fighters he may have to resort to his main strength exclusively to have success. He should have attempted to do so against dos Santos but he looked fat and disinterested.

well I think it's very hard to say someone is almost done moments b4 finishing a fight.

Now shields was almost done vs hendo, but I didn't see a similar moment in the kyle werdum fight.

I remember Kyle teeing off a bit standing, rocking Werdum to his knees and then walking into a guillotine, but hav't seen the fight since whenever.

can't say I have a clear recollection of it either.

OK. I just went back and watched it on youtube.

Kyle caught Werdum leg and landed a shot that buckled Werdum for a split second and then Werdum went for a single leg takedown and got it, but Kyle did a pretty nice roll and actually attempted an armbar on Werdum. Werdum passed it and got side control and then it looked like they were getting back up and Werdum put him in a guillotine.

He never knocked Werdum down and Werdum did not really looked rocked eitheir but aware of Kyle's power and technical advantage that he went to take it to the ground.

link

Kyle has close to K-1 striking though. Very fast and explosive. The Kyle fight makes Werdum's striking probably seem worse than it is and Kyles ground game seem worse than it is. I think Mike Kyle is underrated simply because he is usually written totally off when he does have a dangerous skill set. I wonder if he should be counted for these rankings though considering he has been fighting in KOTC lately.

Werdum has held his own striking in a lot of fights, and has stopped Gonzaga twice. His problem is his speed and athleticism isn't the best, but he is improving his skills and adding a decent MT attack. He is kind of like a big Damian Maia.

Thanks, it's close to what I remember, thought he rocked and dropped him, but he jsut had Werdum in a little trouble

Ummm, Wolf, I have love for you, but your general argument is a real reach.

Of the guys Wolfy listed. 4 would be legit contendors IMO, Fedor, Grim, AA, Roids in order. Werdum, and Big Foot would be good, not great fighters in the UFC. Add Black Brock to these lists as he develops. Clearly the UFC is deeper, but the gap isn't vast like it is in the LHW and WW ranks.

NINJA'S PLACE POUND FOR POUND TOP TEN

May 3rd, 2010

Top Ten
Rank	Fighter	Total Points	(First Place Votes)
1	Fedor Emelianenko	125	(10)
2	Anderson Silva	112	(2)
3	GSP	111	(1)
4	Jose Aldo	90	None
5	Lyoto Machida	77	None
6	Shogun Rua	49	None
7	BJ Penn	48	None
8	Jake Shields	38	None
9	Frankie Edgar	26	None
10	Dominick Cruz	16	None
Others Receiving Votes
Rank	Fighter	Total Points
11	Jon Fitch	15
12	Vitor Belfort	2
12	Rampage Jackson	2
12	Brock Lesnar	2
15	Rashad Evans	1
15	Ben Henderson	1
Dropped Out:	Gegard Mousasi,	Dan Henderson

Post'em
Will tally up the ranks in 7 days, next Sunday.


EDIT : we're all smart enough to do a top 20. If you can't do a 20, you didn't need to be voting anyway. Edit your posts if you have already added ten.

EDIT : GDPofGUAM didn't put that ^. If you have something to say then do it in your own post, not mine. This community voted on the issue. A 66% majority said rank 10 so that's what it is. If you wanna rank 20, do it, but only ten receive points for the ranking.

Machida/Shogun

You know how this works. I'll be closing this midweek and try to get the rankings out by Friday.

LW
1. Edgar
2. Penn
3. Maynard
4. Melendez
5. Alvarez
6. Florian
7. Aoki
8. Sherk
9. Griffin
10. Henderson

FW
1. Aldo
2. Gamburyan
3. Faber
4. Brown
5. Raphael Assuncao
6. Grispi
7. Chad Mendes
8. Mackens Semerzier
9. Michihiro Omigawa
10. Bibiano Fernandes

BW
1. Cruz
2. Bowles
3. Benavidez
4. Torres
5. Scott Jorgensen
6. Wagnney Fabiano

Lightweight

1. B.J. Penn
2. Frankie Edgar
3. Gilbert Melendez
4. Kenny Florian
5. Eddie Alvarez
6. Shinya Aoki
7. Gray Maynard
8. Tatsuya Kawijiri
9. Sean Sherk
10. George Sotiropolous

Featherweight

1. Jose Aldo
2. Manvel Gamburyan
3. Mike Thomas Brown
4. Urijah Faber
5. Bibiano Fernandes
6. Raphael Assuncao
7. Josh Grispi
8. Joe Soto
9. Hatsu Hioki
10. Marlon Sandro

Bantamweight

1. Dominick Cruz
2. Brian Bowles
3. Josepth Benavidez
4. Miguel Torres
5. Scott Jorgenson
6. Takeya Misugaki
7. Damacio Page
8. Rani Yahya
9. Matsakatsu Ueda
10. Cole Escovedo

01. Anderson Silva
02. Fedor Emelienanko
03. Jose Aldo
04. Georges St Pierre- If he shows me he can finish fights with guys who had no business being in there with him in the first place he might move up again
05. Lyoto Machida
06. Jake Shields
07. BJ Penn
08. Jon Fitch
09. Mauricio Rua
10. Vitor Belfort
11. Nick Diaz
12. Kenny Florian
13. Dominick Cruz
14. Jon Jones
15. Thiago Alves
16. Manny Gamburyan
17. Mike Brown
18. Muhammed Lawal
19. Urijah Faber
20. Gegard Mousasi

Lightweight

01. BJ Penn
02. Frank Edgar
03. Kenny Florian
04. Gray Maynard
05. Benson Henderson
06. Gilbert Melendez
07. Tyson Griffin
08. George Sotiropulous
09. Eddie Alvarez
10. Joe Stevenson

Featherweight

01. Jose Aldo
02. Urijah Faber
03. Mike Thomas Brown
04. Bibiano Fernandes
05. Manny Gamburyan
06. Raphael Assuncao
07. Michihiro Omigawa
08. Masanori Kanehara
09. Josh Grispi
10. LC Davis

Bantamweight

01. Dominick Cruz
02. Joseph Benevides
03. Brian Bowles
04. Miguel Torres
05. Scott Jorgensen
06. Damacio Page
07. Takeya Mizugaki
08. Damacio Page
09. Rani Yahya
10. Cole Escoveda

01. Fedor Emelienanko
02. Anderson Silva
03. Georges St Pierre
04. BJ Penn
05. Lyoto Machida
06. Jose Aldo
07. Jake Shields
08. Mauricio Rua
09. Jon Fitch
10. Vitor Belfort

1. Fedor Emelienanko
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Anderson Silva
4. Jose Aldo
5. BJ Penn
6. Lyoto Machida
7. Jake Shields
8. Jon Fitch
9. Mauricio Rua
10.Dominick Cruz

just a suggestion. but maybe we showed allow the previous p4p ranking to carry some weight in the new rankings.

It bothers me when a guy gets p4p rec, off of one win(mtb, bowles, cruz, etc) and I think that carrying over a previous ranking would help aleviate those situations.

1 GSP
2 Anderson
3 Fedor
4 Aldo
5 Machida
6 Edgar
7 Cruz
8 Penn
9 Shogun
10 Lesnar

1. Fedor
2. GSP
3. Aldo
4. Silva
5. Machida
6. Jake Shields
7. Shogun
8. BJ Penn
9. Frankie Edgar
10. Brock Lesnar, Jon Fish- tied