|
| Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? | |
|
+11Primetyme199 cascade_run timthebim LA Wolfgangsta GDPofDRC Andrew the Raider King Birdofthad killerofchicken bobbitt15 OU 15 posters | |
Yes or No? | Yes | | 58% | [ 7 ] | No | | 42% | [ 5 ] |
| Total Votes : 12 | | |
| Author | Message |
---|
OU Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:51 pm | |
| - Quote :
- For these reasons (and many others that I will not bore you with), I
believe that TRT should not be allowed in elite-level competition. It is too easy to cheat and very difficult and time consuming to monitor the proper treatment process.
The bottom line is that TRT was developed and intended for the medically necessary treatment of a small subset of young boys who need this hormone to develop normally and have a shot at a more normal life – and not, amazingly, healthy young men who want a shot at the title. [/quote] The Doc got me thinking with that one. | |
| | | Primetyme199 Brown Belt
Posts : 2916 Join date : 2009-07-30 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:51 pm | |
| - OU wrote:
- [i]"My question is why would Marquardt be allowed to fight in NJ if
his levels were high and why wasn’t Dan Miller notified? Nate still looks bad but NJSACB looks even worse. If Nate is right about this how can you let someone fight with elevated levels of test?" -Greg Savage As a reporter he doesn't have a clue about some things he writes about.
Last edited by Primetyme199 on Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:08 pm; edited 1 time in total | |
| | | Farmer1906 Gold Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Griffin, Franklin, Hendo, Sonnen, Wand, Lawler, Belfort, Pettis, Aldo, Mousasi Posts : 10222 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : Texas
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:26 pm | |
| It shouldn't be allowed. Find a new job if you can't be good at it without extra help. | |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:09 pm | |
| - Farmer1906 wrote:
- It shouldn't be allowed. Find a new job if you can't be good at it without extra help.
Agreed. |
| | | OU Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:08 pm | |
| http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/7/1/2254422/ufcs-dana-white-talks-marquardt-trt-and-chael-sonnen - Quote :
- "No I will not [bring him back]," he reiterated. "This is a tough
thing for me to talk about. It's tough to talk about stuff like this when you can't talk about it. The way I look at it, you know he already tested positive for steroids once. Then he has this issue in New Jersey, and now this issue here going into [Pittsburgh]. It's an issue. People are like 'give him a second chance.' This would be a fourth chance. "Do I think he was trying to cheat? Let's put it this way, he was either trying to cheat, or he has a horrible doctor," White said. "You tell me, which one is it, I don't know. This is one of those things where I can't talk about this guy's medical records but it's pretty clear what this is. "Nate Marquardt's a really nice guy," White said. "He's sweet, he's polite, he's very humble. But it is what it is. Like I said to the media earlier, it's a lot easier to go after Josh Barnett. He's abrasive and rude, and he's a d***. It's easier to point at Josh Barnett and go, 'ugh, Josh Barnett.' What's the difference? The difference is Nate Marquardt is really nice, and a real humble and sweet guy." "I'm no doctor but this whole testosterone replacement therapy I guess is basically for guys who get to a certain age, which is normally supposed to be in your 40s, or even 50s where your testosterone levels start to drop so they give you just a little bit to keep a young man's level," White said. "These guys who used steroids before have trouble producing testosterone so they have to bump their levels up. But when your levels get bumped above what it normally should be, that's performance enhancing, as far as I'm concerned and I'm sure as far as many athletic commissions are concerned. "It's an ugly loophole. I think there [are] guys that need to do it because they have to, but then there [are] guys doing it because you can do it, because you can say 'I'm in here for testosterone replacement.' If you're a professional athlete, you should be going to a credible doctor who says 'yes you need this thing because your testosterone is low and we're going to give you [a small amount] to boost you up to the right levels' and when you do your blood tests your levels should be what a normal guy's levels should be. "Chael Sonnen, I think a lot of people want to see Sonnen fight," he said. "This guy made some bad choices, made some mistakes, has paid his dues and now he gets to come back and hopefully do things smarter this time." | |
| | | GDPofDRC Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Shogun, Fedor, Wand, Saku, Hendo, BJ, Bas, Cain, Mike Vallely Posts : 21274 Join date : 2009-08-04 Age : 105 Location : Fresyes, CA
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:13 pm | |
| double standards, through and through. | |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:14 pm | |
| So basically what I said. |
| | | OU Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:20 pm | |
| - GDPofDRC wrote:
- double standards, through and through.
What Dana REALLY said "I can still make money off of Chael and Nate isn't that big of a draw" | |
| | | Primetyme199 Brown Belt
Posts : 2916 Join date : 2009-07-30 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:05 pm | |
| I think it's a few different things. Nate has already been popped once for steroids, Dana can still make money off of Chael, and the biggest one imo is they didn't have to cancel the main event of a show they were hyping with the Chael situation. I believe that if this happened after the fight it wouldn't of been as big of a deal to Dana. Destroying the main event 1 day before it happens is what caused this for Nate. | |
| | | acccardinal12 Gold Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Cung Le, BJ Penn, Mayhem, Chael Sonnen, Anthony Pettis Posts : 10925 Join date : 2009-12-04 Age : 48 Location : Kentuckiana
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:13 pm | |
| - GDPofDRC wrote:
- It's funny, when I was driving home from work yesterday there were two different radio commercials for "Men, do you miss the day of your youth when you had boundless energy, were a sex machine, were happy, and energetic? But ______ testosterone now!"
I called my doctor and asked about this and they said to come in and have a blood test done. I am thinking that I could benefit by using this for awhile. Thru my 20's I did alot of pain pills and my doc knows this. I told him I had alot of symptoms and might need TRT and he said to come in for a blood test. You think I have a shot at getting some or not? I am gonna tell him whatever he needs to hear and I doubt he perscribes this much and would let me have some. What do you think and could you give me a hand on how I can make this happen? Anyone else? I need to gain weight and get lean mucle and bone mass back after losing so much weight the last 15 months. If not, I am gonna get some roids. | |
| | | bobbitt15 Gold Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Chael Sonnen, Michael Chandler, Jorge Masvidal, Carlos Condit Posts : 14830 Join date : 2009-07-16 Age : 35 Location : Cincinnati
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:16 pm | |
| - OU wrote:
- GDPofDRC wrote:
- double standards, through and through.
What Dana REALLY said "I can still make money off of Chael and Nate isn't that big of a draw" And one of them has also fucked up more than the other. Nate getting fired isn't a big deal at all and in no way surprising | |
| | | JerseyStyle Orange Belt
Posts : 267 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:34 pm | |
| - Birdofthad wrote:
- the reaason why ythey have low levels needs to be examined
In Marquardts case its pretty damn clear he got off the roids and his levels dropped into vagina levels, read between the lines people If he did a PCT after his cycle it wouldnt drop that low. Now maybe he didnt do a PCT and wanted his levels to drop to get a Docs OK??? | |
| | | acccardinal12 Gold Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Cung Le, BJ Penn, Mayhem, Chael Sonnen, Anthony Pettis Posts : 10925 Join date : 2009-12-04 Age : 48 Location : Kentuckiana
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:37 am | |
| okay then screw u I'm on mah OWN! | |
| | | MMAEYES Black Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : BJ PENN, FEDOR, NICK DIAZ Posts : 3973 Join date : 2009-08-13 Age : 42 Location : London,Ohio
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:36 am | |
| I'm torn on this one, but I'm leaning toward no | |
| | | OU Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:13 pm | |
| http://www.mmamania.com/2011/7/12/2272169/trt-quick-quote-dan-henderson-likes-to-cover-his-ass - Quote :
- "My levels were so low they were off the charts. I was always tired
and getting sick a lot. I couldn't even tell you [how to abuse it]. I've never gone above normal ranges. All I know is that I'm not as tired and I don't get as sick as I used to. I always [monitor] my own [out of competition] just to cover my own ass. The only time people get monitored now is at the fights. I think it might be good to have stricter monitoring where people are getting tested throughout the year." | |
| | | OU Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:35 pm | |
| http://www.mmamania.com/2011/7/20/2285004/ufc-quick-quote-lorenzo-fertitta-calls-for-random-testing-to-end-trt - Quote :
- "What you can't have are guys abusing this to the point where their
levels are at some super-human factor, giving them this performance enhancement. There's got to be more random testing. It seems like, possibly, guys are getting outside the boundary while they're training and managing it down where once the week of the fight [has arrived], they take the test and they're fine. I think that there needs to be this random testing to make sure no one's abusing it. I think we came off with a pretty strong response to Nate Marquardt, and kind how we feel about TRT. Our stance is we're working with commissions to say 'look this whole thing has got to come to an end.' If you are going to have some kind of therapy, not only can you not be at the top end of the range, you can't be anywhere near performance enhancing." | |
| | | killerofchicken Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Mauricio Shogun Rua, BJ Penn, AXE MURDERER,Fedor, CroCop, Vitor Belfort, JDS Posts : 16162 Join date : 2010-02-28 Age : 38 Location : Iowa
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:35 pm | |
| haha, i was looking for this thread to post that... i even had it copied!
damn you | |
| | | OU Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:37 pm | |
| - killerofchicken wrote:
- haha, i was looking for this thread to post that... i even had it copied!
damn you I used the search feature using the word "allowed". | |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:57 pm | |
| So stoned brains work faster than drunk ones |
| | | OU Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:59 pm | |
| - freakzilla wrote:
- So stoned brains work faster than drunk ones
I wish I was stoned. | |
| | | killerofchicken Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Mauricio Shogun Rua, BJ Penn, AXE MURDERER,Fedor, CroCop, Vitor Belfort, JDS Posts : 16162 Join date : 2010-02-28 Age : 38 Location : Iowa
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:08 pm | |
| - freakzilla wrote:
- So stoned brains work faster than drunk ones
YES they do as a matter of fact, i know from experience
Last edited by killerofchicken on Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:25 pm; edited 1 time in total | |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:24 pm | |
| |
| | | Sponsored content
| Subject: Re: Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? | |
| |
| | | | Should MMA fighters be allowed to fight if they are on TRT? | |
|
Similar topics | |
|
| Permissions in this forum: | You cannot reply to topics in this forum
| |
| |
| |