Fighters that fought/fight below their potential and fighters/fight above it:

Below:

BJ Penn: a lot of MMA fans regard him as the most naturally talented fighter in MMA history, and even though he's not truly lived up to his potential is still the best LW to ever do it. The problem for BJ is his work ethic and the camps in which he's trained/training partners, if he had GSP' or Frankie's work ethic and GSP's camp/training partners he'd be unstoppable.

Rampage: Another naturally girfted fighter, amazing punching power, strength, solid wrestling, but also paired with a weak dedication to the sport, work ethic, and an unwillingness to expand his game. He also is in real need of a top camp to train under.

Timmy: Yup Timmy, like it or not Tim is a very talented fighter, the rest is self explanatory.

Chael Sonnen: Simply put, his anti-BBJ attitude, imagine what he could have done without it?

Thiago Alves: Very gifted, make weight bro

Above:

Forrest Griffen: The quintessential overachiever, and he keeps on doing it, not as naturally talented as other fighters, but work ethic paired with heart serve him quite well.

Keith Jardine: Hey it was fun while it lasted right?


That's all I got for now just off the top of my head....

Mir above

Lesnar above

Sylvia above


AA below

Soko below

Brock is an at, or undeterminable at this point

Timmy only lost to a few of the best then completely let himself go, he's a below

Soko should have been on my above list, a couple early KOs against top guys in his career before coming back to reality, he's Keith Jardine-esque.

Soko always loses fights he was otherwise winning, indicating he is in fact a good fighter who then deteriorates significantly later. If Soko could fight for three rounds at his first round ability he'd be a top ten force. He is firmly below.


Tim Sylvia has a lot of reach, is tall and hits hard, but he isn't athletically gifted at all, is a slow and awkward mover, and took advantage of a weak division to earn the status he did. Never the less, he became a great fighter. He is Jardine if no one in the UFC was any good at LHW. He is someone who fought firmly above their ability.

am i the only guy that has the prime Jens Pulver higher than BJ??

Randy Couture WAY ABOVE lets be realistic captain america has shocked us time and time again for a reason, he shouldnt have won when he did

Vitor Belfort way below , I remember when this 19 year old kid was supposed to be the face of the sport...........................Im still waiting

Rolles Gracie......dide you have Gracie at the end of your name, why do you suck so much?

Kazushi Sakuraba way above, lets be realistic anyone that looks up to Takanara as an idol and amounts what he aounted to in the sport definitely did way more then they should have

Randy Couture WAY ABOVE lets be realistic captain america has shocked us time and time again for a reason, he shouldnt have won when he did

Disagree, a lot of his old losses wouldn't have happened if he didn't fight below his level or if he had his fully evolved later career skillset. IMO.

Yes you are the only one

Randy? maybe a little above but Olympic caliber wrestler, amazing work ethic and heart, he deserved every win he's gotten.

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Randy Couture WAY ABOVE lets be realistic captain america has shocked us time and time again for a reason, he shouldnt have won when he did

Vitor Belfort way below , I remember when this 19 year old kid was supposed to be the face of the sport...........................Im still waiting

Somebody needs to respect greco roman skills. Just compare these two fighters first fights. Belfort was "supposed" to win because people wrote off greco-dirty boxing mistakenly. Don't get it twisted partner.



































Team Raw >Lions Den

Ken Shamrock, above

wolf you didnt go there cause Lions Den ran shit when Real American Wrestler was just forming cough cough also if memory serves me correct Lions Den went 3-0 vs RAW in the heyday

IDK Vitor had amazing standup and destroyed everyone he fought when Randy was an old looking dude that won a weak tournament

there was a reason he was a huge underdog vs Vitor, Kevin Randleman, and Ortiz and Liddell

oh LA you just made me do a drunken smile hahaha

Semmy Schilt above?? I think so

Ken shamrock above????



absolutely. He was an athletic pro wrestler who trained in mma when no one else did. He'd get smoked by todays heavys.

Severn ???

Sometimes you got to post something just for a laugh

Clay Guida above, at least in terms of win/loss

I'm undecided if Miguel Torres is above or below.

hahaha well thank you hahah after the Rizoo fight I need a laugh

Guida definitely above

hes like Tank Abbott but he wins more than he loses

Maurice Smith above, Maurice was a tough SOB and great kick boxer, but no one foresaw him winning the title except for him and the greatest training camp ever (muhahahah)

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Below:

BJ Penn: a lot of MMA fans regard him as the most naturally talented fighter in MMA history, and even though he's not truly lived up to his potential is still the best LW to ever do it. The problem for BJ is his work ethic and the camps in which he's trained/training partners, if he had GSP' or Frankie's work ethic and GSP's camp/training partners he'd be unstoppable.

Rampage: Another naturally girfted fighter, amazing punching power, strength, solid wrestling, but also paired with a weak dedication to the sport, work ethic, and an unwillingness to expand his game. He also is in real need of a top camp to train under.

Timmy: Yup Timmy, like it or not Tim is a very talented fighter, the rest is self explanatory.

Chael Sonnen: Simply put, his anti-BBJ attitude, imagine what he could have done without it?

Thiago Alves: Very gifted, make weight bro

Above:

Forrest Griffen: The quintessential overachiever, and he keeps on doing it, not as naturally talented as other fighters, but work ethic paired with heart serve him quite well.

Keith Jardine: Hey it was fun while it lasted right?


That's all I got for now just off the top of my head....

+1 Brother...+1.

Birdofthad wrote:

hahaha well thank you hahah after the Rizoo fight I need a laugh

Guida definitely above

hes like Tank Abbott but he wins more than he loses

Maurice Smith above, Maurice was a tough SOB and great kick boxer, but no one foresaw him winning the title except for him and the greatest training camp ever (muhahahah)

How is he like Tank Abbott? He actually uses his wrestling instead of standing up as long as his cardio will allow.

Birdofthad wrote:

am i the only guy that has the prime Jens Pulver higher than BJ??

Randy Couture WAY ABOVE lets be realistic captain america has shocked us time and time again for a reason, he shouldnt have won when he did

Vitor Belfort way below , I remember when this 19 year old kid was supposed to be the face of the sport...........................Im still waiting

Rolles Gracie......dide you have Gracie at the end of your name, why do you suck so much?

Kazushi Sakuraba way above, lets be realistic anyone that looks up to Takanara as an idol and amounts what he aounted to in the sport definitely did way more then they should have

You took the words out of my mouth with Belfort.I remember how the Phenom absolutely steamrolled Abbott back when Tank was actually viable.

How does a striker with the skills of Vitor get beat by Couture on his feet.Huge waste of talent.

because randy made it a clinching nasty affair.

Forreest Griffin- Above
Keith Jardine- Above
Rashad Evans- Above
Matt Serra- Above
Josh Koscheck- Above
Andre Arlovski- Below
Vitor Belfort- Below

I have Pete Williams falling in both categories.Mark Kerr didn't live up to his potential.

i almost put Pete WIlliams in an above because for a kid that just took it up cause his budddy did it he accomplished alot however, I really eel like he should have been a champion so perhaps he did underachieve

good point randy