Diaz vs Daley(spoiler)

Strikeforce seems to be coming with really good shows, I would say watch out UFC but that ship has sailed, seems like all the fighters want to unify, wonder how long they wait, before cross promotion starts

timthebim wrote:

That sucks Ali cause they were very good.

Just caught Diaz vs Daley on youtube, crazy stuff.

captain organic wrote:

watching the replays.

Aoki sweet win. but poorly done by SF with no post fight interview. The whole japan thing and shinya is begging for the mic.

Yeah that was really strange

Yeah it was a very entertaining 1 round lol.

further replay watching.

Gegard was really dominant in that 3rd rnd, but the whole short notice thing takes the luster off of that.. And I was disappointed in his takedown defense early. By Jardine? Who knows what happens if doesn't gas that early.

Gil did destroy crusher. He was loving his newly allowed freedom 4 elbows.

Diaz did destroy Daley. He had him really hurt a couple times. and I don't think Nick was all that hurt either of the 2 times . very few, if any, clean shots hit him after the big punches, he defended very well

Team Gracie is awesome. Especially Gil and the diaz bro's. These guys fight as if it is a fight, not a sport.

Wtf is with Gus's makeup?

Capt...Jardine does not gas early if he does not go to the takedowns...not gassing would mean Jardine fighting HIS fight and getting destroyed on the feet like he was. He only gassed because he tried to muscle his way into stalling and swaying the judges. You think there is anytime Jardine DOESNT gas when he fights like that? that's not his game. Mousasi was hosed. Jardine did nothing except make it to the end. Judges need to start discriminating with takedowns...i don't think they should count for anything unless control is established. That might of happened once, to never with Jardine tonight and everytime he took Mousasi down it was....MOUSASI DOING THE DAMAGE OFF HIS BACK before deciding to get back up. shame shame shame. I hope somebody bought the first judge a drink for seeing it right with the point deduction. The only thing that disappointed me with Mousasi was that he didnt storm on Jardine and knock his ass out in the first 2 minutes. There is plenty of tape on that and he was not agressive..but he won that fight, even with the point deduction..easy. Definetly not Mousasi's finest hour..he's looked better against better fighters, but still a winning hour nonetheless.

timthebim wrote:

I think Diaz can hang with any1 in the world.

you give him a chance against the top wrestlers?

oh and kings your arguement falls on def ears, I made the same case last night after everyone said it was an ok decision. After I posted why it wasnt there was no response

Cu Bua wrote:

timthebim wrote:

I think Diaz can hang with any1 in the world.

you give him a chance against the top wrestlers?

Definitely. His takedown defense was really the only hole in his game so I beat he has worked on it.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Capt...Jardine does not gas early if he does not go to the takedowns...not gassing would mean Jardine fighting HIS fight and getting destroyed on the feet like he was. He only gassed because he tried to muscle his way into stalling and swaying the judges. You think there is anytime Jardine DOESNT gas when he fights like that? that's not his game. Mousasi was hosed. Jardine did nothing except make it to the end. Judges need to start discriminating with takedowns...i don't think they should count for anything unless control is established. That might of happened once, to never with Jardine tonight and everytime he took Mousasi down it was....MOUSASI DOING THE DAMAGE OFF HIS BACK before deciding to get back up. shame shame shame. I hope somebody bought the first judge a drink for seeing it right with the point deduction. The only thing that disappointed me with Mousasi was that he didnt storm on Jardine and knock his ass out in the first 2 minutes. There is plenty of tape on that and he was not agressive..but he won that fight, even with the point deduction..easy. Definetly not Mousasi's finest hour..he's looked better against better fighters, but still a winning hour nonetheless.

Last nights fight was alittle weird in the sense that there was a 10-8 round for Jardine. I dont mind that Jardine was givin the 1st round by the judges but I did mind the point deduction. It shouldnt have happened but sense it did I can see a 10-8 for Jardine and with Mousasi winning the 2nd and 3rd rounds 10-9 theres the draw. Its not a popular decision because Jardine got his ass kicked but that is the way fights are scored.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Capt...Jardine does not gas early if he does not go to the takedowns...not gassing would mean Jardine fighting HIS fight and getting destroyed on the feet like he was. He only gassed because he tried to muscle his way into stalling and swaying the judges. You think there is anytime Jardine DOESNT gas when he fights like that? that's not his game. Mousasi was hosed. Jardine did nothing except make it to the end. Judges need to start discriminating with takedowns...i don't think they should count for anything unless control is established. That might of happened once, to never with Jardine tonight and everytime he took Mousasi down it was....MOUSASI DOING THE DAMAGE OFF HIS BACK before deciding to get back up. shame shame shame. I hope somebody bought the first judge a drink for seeing it right with the point deduction. The only thing that disappointed me with Mousasi was that he didnt storm on Jardine and knock his ass out in the first 2 minutes. There is plenty of tape on that and he was not agressive..but he won that fight, even with the point deduction..easy. Definetly not Mousasi's finest hour..he's looked better against better fighters, but still a winning hour nonetheless.

+1

Yeah if a judge really gave Jardine the second round they should lose there job!

Jardine had no business walking away with anything but a loss.

captain organic wrote:

watching the replays.

Aoki sweet win. but poorly done by SF with no post fight interview. The whole japan thing and shinya is begging for the mic.

Don't blame Strikeforce blame Showtime. They control all the production, commentators and the interviews.

timthebim wrote:

Last nights fight was alittle weird in the sense that there was a 10-8 round for Jardine. I dont mind that Jardine was givin the 1st round by the judges but I did mind the point deduction. It shouldnt have happened but sense it did I can see a 10-8 for Jardine and with Mousasi winning the 2nd and 3rd rounds 10-9 theres the draw. Its not a popular decision because Jardine got his ass kicked but that is the way fights are scored.

The ref ruled it was not an accidental foul. When a foul is committed that's not accidental the ref is required to take a point, there is no warning. He could have DQ'd Mousassi for the kick, because it didn't really hurt Jardine he took the point away that he had to by the rules. If Jardine wouldn't have continued Mousassi would have been DQ'd.

I'm fine with the point deduction. That was a clear illegal upkick. We've seen Anderson Silva lose to Okami for the same thing even though the kick wasnt a strong one you have to call Mousasi on it...however, Jardine did nothing in that round to earn anything more than a 9-9..he was picked apart standing in the first round and the takedowns were nothing more than a stalling tactic for a fighter that was hurt the entire fight. Because what was Jardine seriously trying to accomplish by taking Mousasi down? He was at risk of getting submitted, he was getting beat up, it's not his game, it wore him down, and he couldnt establish ONE GOOD POSITION after a takedown. Judges need to learn about these fighters. Jardine didnt come to fight...he came to survive. Anybody who thinks Jardine with a full training camp would give Mousasi a better fight are stoned. Remember, Mousasi only had 9 days to prepare for an unorthodox fighter like Jardine as well. I doubt he ever though Jardine would do anything besides stand. Scott Coker should know better than bother making a rematch for this..he had to have watched the fight. Sometimes you just got to move on from BS decision's and let the 15 minutes speak for itself. Nobody needs to see a rematch to know who the better fighter was.

Kings, it's hard to argue that Jardine was not at a bigger disadvantage then Gegard due to the short notice.

It is also hard to argue that it did not play a role in that fight. Jardine has never been known to gas, yet was gassed by the end of the 1st.

i figure Gegard would win a rematch, but I also figured he would destroy Jardine last night.

Jardine has never been known to gas, but Jardine has never been known to attempt several takedowns throughout a fight. you don't think that played a huge role in him gassing? ...and so what if he doesent gas? does he all of a sudden have the skills to stand with Gegard or actually establish good position after a go nowhere takedown? give me a fuckin break.

He hugged or ran everytime he got in trouble. It was an inferior fighter trying to survive and he was rewarded for it. Capt, i can't believe you actually buy that 1) the draw was legit and 2) Jardine could make a rematch interesting when in all reality the first fight wasnt.

Jardine was able to accomplish the same things in round 2 and 3 that he was able to accomplish in round 1 when he was fresh: Absolutely nothing.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Jardine has never been known to gas, but Jardine has never been known to attempt several takedowns throughout a fight. you don't think that played a huge role in him gassing? ...and so what if he doesent gas? does he all of a sudden have the skills to stand with Gegard or actually establish good position after a go nowhere takedown? give me a fuckin break.

He hugged or ran everytime he got in trouble. It was an inferior fighter trying to survive and he was rewarded for it. Capt, i can't believe you actually buy that 1) the draw was legit and 2) Jardine could make a rematch interesting when in all reality the first fight wasnt.

Jardine was able to accomplish the same things in round 2 and 3 that he was able to accomplish in round 1 when he was fresh: Absolutely nothing.

totally disagree, rnd 1 was far more competitive then rnd 3. the takedowns were more frequent, the herky jerky style was more pronounced and imo threw Gegard off. Saying rnd 1 was similar to rnd 3 is wholly inaccurate.

Further, Jardine beat Chuck in a straight standing affair, and gave Page all sorts of trouble. so I will not write him off completely. But I thought gegard would rock Jardine, and he never really did.

Finally, Jardine took the fight on short notice, and tried to attack a Gegard weakness, that being his tdd, and while fresh was actually successful in that regard. Did it tire him out? I guess it helped, but all things considered I can't fault the strategy, nor can I disregard the reality that this fight was on short notice and probably had more to do with him gassing then anything.

Im not dieing to see a rematch, would much rather we revisit Gegard vs Kyle, but it's crazy to say that Jardine would not have a better chance given a full training camp..

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the one on the right is beautiful!

lol I was just about to type "the one one the right wants it". Then I saw what you typed.

far right and far left are the best.

lol, its about time they get some quality ring girls dang!

that one on the far left has been there a min.