Our P4P selections

Compared to some, but not Jon Jones.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Compared to some, but not Jon Jones.

Yeah I hate Spider but...Franklin,Forrest and Hendo have all been atleast mentioned as top 10 LHW since losing to Spider. Nate is still a top 3-5 MW out there, Vitor is no slouch.

Rua has a better resume than Anderson.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Rua has a better resume than Anderson.

Except for the submission loss to Forrest, the TKO loss to Jones and the close dec loss to Machida. 3-3 over his last 6 fights.
But you are right. Which is why I had Shogun ranked over Spider in our last rankings.

He didn't lose to machida. Forrest loss was because he's knees were shot and everyone will lose to jones. Rua has better wins is what I shouldve said anyway.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

He didn't lose to machida. Forrest loss was because he's knees were shot and everyone will lose to jones. Rua has better wins is what I shouldve said anyway.

Yea and like I said, up until this last fight I had Shogun ranked ahead of Spider in p4p.

OU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Jones is bigger than that. A big LW can be 155 at a weigh in and 185 a day later at the fight.

What about his reach? An obvious factor in his fights. Which is a physical attribute and not a "skill".

But there is a reason I thought Fitch beat BJ but BJ proved to be the better p4p fighter. Same with Maynard and Edgar, thought Maynard won but Frankie proved to be a better p4p fighter.

but typically longer, rangier fighters are very susceptible to shorter, stockier wrestler types. Bones destroys those guys at their own game.

And I remember a couple weeks prior to the rua fight he said he was weighing 220. So if that is to be believed, he is by no means a big lhw.

Further as far as resume goes, he just destroyed a p4p fighter, this after destroying a guy just outside the top 10 at lhw, add in total destructions of Vera and Hamill, and I think I am justified in rating him as highly as I did. No one has been more impressive then bones in the last 2 years.

well maybe Aldo.

Aldo hasn't been as impressive as Jones.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Aldo hasn't been as impressive as Jones.

3 KO's combined with a dominant decision win over Faber.

But I agree Jones has been more impressive.

captain organic wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Aldo hasn't been as impressive as Jones.

3 KO's in less combined with a dominant decision win over Faber.

But I agree Jones has been more impressive.

JDS is 5-0 since 2009 with 4 TKO/KO if you count that CC fight as a TKO. Just saying. Cain is 5-0 since 09 with 4 TKO/KOs.
That fight is going to be awesome.

Damn just looked and Jon Jones 7-0 since 09 if you count Hamill.

Have the salaries for Jones vs Shogun come out yet?

OU wrote:

Damn just looked and Jon Jones 7-0 since 09 if you count Hamill.

That's why I have him number 1. 7-0 in the past 2 years against quality fighters.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

OU wrote:

Damn just looked and Jon Jones 7-0 since 09 if you count Hamill.

That's why I have him number 1. 7-0 in the past 2 years against quality fighters.

A dominant 7-0(and yeah i count Hamill, the most brutal of his beatdowns). And his dominance has increased as the caliber of his opponent has increased.

Though maybe I did overlook both Cain and JDS in my rankings. I know I would love to kick a couple boring wrestlers out of there.

Skills is very important to my P4P rankings, like Fedor has 2 losses in a row right? (One sloppyness another size disadvantage) but I still put him at maybe 12? don't remember, but it's because he clearly is a better P4P fighter then most guys still out there. Like I can understand putting Sheilds above him, and I wouldn't complain about that, but who is a better P4P fighter really?

Sent u a PM Capt. nothing big

OU wrote:

captain organic wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Aldo hasn't been as impressive as Jones.

3 KO's in less combined with a dominant decision win over Faber.

But I agree Jones has been more impressive.

JDS is 5-0 since 2009 with 4 TKO/KO if you count that CC fight as a TKO. Just saying. Cain is 5-0 since 09 with 4 TKO/KOs.
That fight is going to be awesome.

Ya know I made a post a while's back declaring that sub via punches should be KO's. I was ridiculed pretty harshly. And I understand the whole tapping thing, but grouping a sub via punches in with more traditional subs(and seperate from traditionals KO's) is misleading.

Jose Aldo is more impressive than Jones in his weight class based on opponents. He wiped the floor with MTB, whose belt he took and Faber looked old, slow and nothing special. Jones is still suspect, because Rua, and I think we can all agree, did not come as physically prpeared as he should have or maybe could have.

captain organic wrote:

OU wrote:

captain organic wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Aldo hasn't been as impressive as Jones.

3 KO's in less combined with a dominant decision win over Faber.

But I agree Jones has been more impressive.

JDS is 5-0 since 2009 with 4 TKO/KO if you count that CC fight as a TKO. Just saying. Cain is 5-0 since 09 with 4 TKO/KOs.
That fight is going to be awesome.

Ya know I made a post a while's back declaring that sub via punches should be KO's. I was ridiculed pretty harshly. And I understand the whole tapping thing, but grouping a sub via punches in with more traditional subs(and seperate from traditionals KO's) is misleading.

I 1/2 agree with you.

I think a submission win should be the result of a submission hold. If a guy gets kneed in the ribs and they break or is being flurryed and beaten causing him to tap, that should mean he has chosen to be technically knocked out. I usually look at a sub by strikes as being a TKO unless there is a reason to think otherwise, none come to mind at the moment.

I consider the JDS win over Cro Cop a TKO. He threw and uppercut and his knuckle hit Cro Cop right in the eye. Cro Cop motioned to the ref he could not continue. He submitted. At that is where my half that disagrees comes in because I interpret the finish process like this. A fighter loses by submission when he himself chooses not to continue fighting. A fighter losses by knock out when the referee decides he cannot continue fighting. Now even by that concise definition there is some gray because the ref can decide a fighter cannot continue fighting and designate a loss by submission (like being choked to sleep).

The way I see it is the fight was stopped due to an injury. Which is usually ruled a TKO. To me it doesn't matter that the ref wasn't aware of how severe the injury was until after being told by the fighter.
Now if a fighter is just tapping because of pain, like it appears DaMarques Johnson did vs Amir, that is a bit different. As far as I know it wasn't an injury that caused Johnson to tap.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Jose Aldo is more impressive than Jones in his weight class based on opponents. He wiped the floor with MTB, whose belt he took and Faber looked old, slow and nothing special. Jones is still suspect, because Rua, and I think we can all agree, did not come as physically prpeared as he should have or maybe could have.

Jones is Suspect? that's a bit strong, no?

And I for one question MTB as a top guy in the sport. Guy was a somebody on a winning streak for about a year. Prior to that he prob would not have made a top 100 p4p. Since the one year run he is 2-4, with zero notable wins.


Despite Rua's uneven career the guy is a legit top 10 talent, and has been for 5+ years. Add in Vera, Bader, Hamill, Matyushenko, Bonnar, and Jones has just done more then Aldo.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Jose Aldo is more impressive than Jones in his weight class based on opponents. He wiped the floor with MTB, whose belt he took and Faber looked old, slow and nothing special. Jones is still suspect, because Rua, and I think we can all agree, did not come as physically prpeared as he should have or maybe could have.

Faber is in the same category as Franklin in the most overated champions ever. MTB lost to a scrub in gamburyan. The fw division is the weakest in mma. Even worse than mw. Jones on the other hand hasn't lost a round in the UFC in the strongest division.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Jose Aldo is more impressive than Jones in his weight class based on opponents. He wiped the floor with MTB, whose belt he took and Faber looked old, slow and nothing special. Jones is still suspect, because Rua, and I think we can all agree, did not come as physically prpeared as he should have or maybe could have.

Faber is in tue same category as Franklin in the most overated champions ever. MTB lost to a scrub in gamburyan. The fw division is the weakest in mma. Even worse than mw. Jones on the other hand hasn't lost a round in the UFC in the strongest division.

Ace and Faber overrated? You are selling these guys short as always. I know you didn't get into the WEC until late and you didn't respect that organization. But it wasn't the minor leagues. The fighters weren't "scrubs" as you love to put it.