Ellenberger

Is it me, or do people here agree that this guy flat out gassed, was gassed towards the end of round 1 and if he didnt take the fight on short notice, probably would have beaten Condit? I think they should bring this guy back. Thoughts?

JimboJones1 wrote:

Is it me, or do people here agree that this guy flat out gassed, was gassed towards the end of round 1 and if he didnt take the fight on short notice, probably would have beaten Condit? I think they should bring this guy back. Thoughts?

You can't come out throwing haymakers the entire fight, it's no surprise that he gassed.

Bigs03 wrote:

JimboJones1 wrote:

Is it me, or do people here agree that this guy flat out gassed, was gassed towards the end of round 1 and if he didnt take the fight on short notice, probably would have beaten Condit? I think they should bring this guy back. Thoughts?

You can't come out throwing haymakers the entire fight, it's no surprise that he gassed.

True, but im saying it looked like he did that to end the fight early because, taking the fight on short notice, he knew he would gas and figured he better try to end it early. I think with notice, this guy beats Condit. He is a good welter and should be brought back imo.

JimboJones1 wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

JimboJones1 wrote:

Is it me, or do people here agree that this guy flat out gassed, was gassed towards the end of round 1 and if he didnt take the fight on short notice, probably would have beaten Condit? I think they should bring this guy back. Thoughts?

You can't come out throwing haymakers the entire fight, it's no surprise that he gassed.

True, but im saying it looked like he did that to end the fight early because, taking the fight on short notice, he knew he would gas and figured he better try to end it early. I think with notice, this guy beats Condit. He is a good welter and should be brought back imo.

Yeah I think he should be brought back but I don't know if he beats Condit. He can definitely catch anyone with a haymaker and KO them but last night showed little about his technical skill. It was a good fight but Condit was transitioning to mount easily, I'm surprised Condit didn't submit him.

Bigs03 wrote:

JimboJones1 wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

JimboJones1 wrote:

Is it me, or do people here agree that this guy flat out gassed, was gassed towards the end of round 1 and if he didnt take the fight on short notice, probably would have beaten Condit? I think they should bring this guy back. Thoughts?

You can't come out throwing haymakers the entire fight, it's no surprise that he gassed.

True, but im saying it looked like he did that to end the fight early because, taking the fight on short notice, he knew he would gas and figured he better try to end it early. I think with notice, this guy beats Condit. He is a good welter and should be brought back imo.

Yeah I think he should be brought back but I don't know if he beats Condit. He can definitely catch anyone with a haymaker and KO them but last night showed little about his technical skill. It was a good fight but Condit was transitioning to mount easily, I'm surprised Condit didn't submit him.

True, I saw that too, but what I saw was a guy who was gassed on the ground, which is why Condit was passing so easily. The fact that Ellenberger didnt get submitted in those positions, while gassed, shows to me that with enough preparation, he can be real dangerous to a lot of fighters. Those were gassed grappling transitions by Condit who knew Ellenberger didnt have the gas to keep defending on the ground.

Condit has a hell of a chin tho.. i still see condit winning a rematch simply because he will know more about the opponent just my opinion tho

They could have stopped that fight easy, Condit was hurt bad on 2 separate occasions.

cardio= a beast even kampan couldnt control condit like that. He will be back

Not at all. The only reason he was close was because of the "go all out" strategy. If it was a slower pace, Condit would have picked him apart standing.

That guy could be top ten material. He took him down at will in the first with some seriously powerful takedown shots and leveled him multiple times in the standing. Had he had better cardio he'd have won that fight. Condit under performs and is slightly over rated imo.

Impressive debut.

I was very impressed with Ellenberger. I thought it was close even on the scorecards, because I thought he did enough in the 2nd to garner the win. However, what impressed me was he took it on short notice, was obviously wiped out by the 3rd and still didn't let Condit submit him. I agree with what Wolf said and Condit is overrated. I have yet to see him excel in the UFC, win yes, win with confidence? No.

JimboJones1 wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

JimboJones1 wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

JimboJones1 wrote:

Is it me, or do people here agree that this guy flat out gassed, was gassed towards the end of round 1 and if he didnt take the fight on short notice, probably would have beaten Condit? I think they should bring this guy back. Thoughts?

You can't come out throwing haymakers the entire fight, it's no surprise that he gassed.

True, but im saying it looked like he did that to end the fight early because, taking the fight on short notice, he knew he would gas and figured he better try to end it early. I think with notice, this guy beats Condit. He is a good welter and should be brought back imo.

Yeah I think he should be brought back but I don't know if he beats Condit. He can definitely catch anyone with a haymaker and KO them but last night showed little about his technical skill. It was a good fight but Condit was transitioning to mount easily, I'm surprised Condit didn't submit him.

True, I saw that too, but what I saw was a guy who was gassed on the ground, which is why Condit was passing so easily. The fact that Ellenberger didnt get submitted in those positions, while gassed, shows to me that with enough preparation, he can be real dangerous to a lot of fighters. Those were gassed grappling transitions by Condit who knew Ellenberger didnt have the gas to keep defending on the ground.

No technical game? He controlled Condit for large portions of the fight, a couple times had some good submissions locked in, and went the distance stopping all of Condit's sub attempts. All on short notice. I thought the guy was very impressive.

Short notice and he was going a gainst a guy who has gone more then 3 rounds against a caliber of comp that Ellenberger had never seen.

him taking the fight on short notice had nothing to do with him gassing i think .. unless ellenberger was sitting on the couch until the UFC called.. then I am assuming the dude has just been in constant training, trying to fight as much as he can.. go look at how soon he fights after a fight .. and I dont even think his gameplan would have been different if he had more time to prepare for condit either... I believe he was ready for the fight and just may need to put more emphasis on cardio in the first place..

condit was in the same boat IMO.. he was training to fight, and had short notice to prepare for ellenberger

regardless, different ref different outcome possibly.. he rocked him in the first, and I have seen fights stopped for less...

but I think Condit would win the rematch if there is one.

Gol, normally I agree with you, but in this case I do not. It is not like he had a few weeks to cut weight. He had a what maybe 2? That is a lot of weight to cut and no I am no expert but I know how I feel after 1 day of being dehydrated and that sucks! No I give the guy credit and on top of that, from what the the commentators said, they had a hard time finding someone to take this fight on such short notice, so you have to give him some cred!

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Gol, normally I agree with you, but in this case I do not. It is not like he had a few weeks to cut weight. He had a what maybe 2? That is a lot of weight to cut and no I am no expert but I know how I feel after 1 day of being dehydrated and that sucks! No I give the guy credit and on top of that, from what the the commentators said, they had a hard time finding someone to take this fight on such short notice, so you have to give him some cred!

I said nothing negative about Ellenberger I don't think, In fact I like him, he has a ton of potential.. it was more of a response to everyone saying Condit would have lost if ellenberger had more time to train .. I give him a lot of credit, like I said, he would have walked out of there with a first round TKO if a lot of other refs were in that fight..

And I understand what you are saying, but.. by looking at how often he takes fights (Fights) .. I am guessing that he stays as close to fighting weight as he can .. but this is an assumption, and don't know... did they say how much weight he had to cut to make weight?