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timthebim Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:41 am | |
| - GDPofDRC wrote:
- Not a good defense, lol. You just said he was scared.
Scared no, doesnt want to take a chance yes. Really no reason too. he beat Rampage and will get Shogun coming off an injury so it is set up perfect for him to try to get his title back. | |
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GDPofDRC Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:44 am | |
| - timthebim wrote:
- GDPofDRC wrote:
- Not a good defense, lol. You just said he was scared.
Scared no, doesnt want to take a chance yes. Really no reason too. he beat Rampage and will get Shogun coming off an injury so it is set up perfect for him to try to get his title back. You did it again. But I get what your saying. I'm a MAN!!!!! JDS is more of one than Rashad. | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:45 am | |
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timthebim Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:48 am | |
| - GDPofDRC wrote:
- timthebim wrote:
- GDPofDRC wrote:
- Not a good defense, lol. You just said he was scared.
Scared no, doesnt want to take a chance yes. Really no reason too. he beat Rampage and will get Shogun coming off an injury so it is set up perfect for him to try to get his title back. You did it again. But I get what your saying.
I'm a MAN!!!!! JDS is more of one than Rashad. Just because u dont want to take chances doesnt mean u are scared, just ask GSP LOL. | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:50 am | |
| - timthebim wrote:
- GDPofDRC wrote:
- timthebim wrote:
- GDPofDRC wrote:
- Not a good defense, lol. You just said he was scared.
Scared no, doesnt want to take a chance yes. Really no reason too. he beat Rampage and will get Shogun coming off an injury so it is set up perfect for him to try to get his title back. You did it again. But I get what your saying.
I'm a MAN!!!!! JDS is more of one than Rashad. Just because u dont want to take chances doesnt mean u are scared, just ask GSP LOL. GSP fights!!! lol | |
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timthebim Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : BJ PENN, JOSH KOSCHECK, SPIDER Posts : 16809 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 42 Location : Detroit
| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:52 am | |
| - killerofchicken wrote:
- timthebim wrote:
- GDPofDRC wrote:
- timthebim wrote:
- GDPofDRC wrote:
- Not a good defense, lol. You just said he was scared.
Scared no, doesnt want to take a chance yes. Really no reason too. he beat Rampage and will get Shogun coming off an injury so it is set up perfect for him to try to get his title back. You did it again. But I get what your saying.
I'm a MAN!!!!! JDS is more of one than Rashad. Just because u dont want to take chances doesnt mean u are scared, just ask GSP LOL. GSP fights!!! lol If thats what u call it lol. | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:54 am | |
| LOL, Timy lets not get into this...
Just look at how Shad beat Rampage his last fight... kinda the same way GSP beats his opponents | |
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timthebim Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:55 am | |
| You are right about that, but it was 1 fight compared to GSPs last 6 lol. | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:55 am | |
| - timthebim wrote:
- You are right about that, but it was 1 fight compared to GSPs last 6 lol.
ok, how about how he beat, or should I say how he BARELY beat T. Silva? | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:56 am | |
| wow that was a messed up sentence lol | |
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timthebim Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:58 am | |
| Well they train together dont they??? They are both chumps in my opinion, but I hate GSP more than any other MMA fighter ever. | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:59 am | |
| haha, im not too found of him neither
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timthebim Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:57 pm | |
| I just heard on ESPN it happened during the Brock fight? I thought it happened in training? | |
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killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:58 pm | |
| wow, they kept it a secret for a while then...
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timthebim Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:59 pm | |
| - killerofchicken wrote:
- wow, they kept it a secret for a while then...
Thats what I was thinking. They said a torn rotator cuff! However u spell it lol. | |
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Primetyme199 Brown Belt
Posts : 2916 Join date : 2009-07-30 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:16 pm | |
| He may be out for a year now. http://mmajunkie.com/news/21903/medical-beat-could-rotator-cuff-surgery-actually-sideline-velasquez-for-a-year.mmaMedical Beat: Could rotator-cuff surgery actually sideline Velasquez for a year? - Quote :
- Cain Velasquez certainly did the improbable – and many thought the impossible – when he dominated and dethroned the mighty Brock Lesnar at UFC 121.
Unfortunately, the UFC heavyweight champion may have to accomplish the improbable all over again.
Many sports fans have heard of a rotator-cuff tear, but few truly understand the injury and why it may prove very difficult for Velasquez to overcome. Reentering the octagon is one thing, but performing at the level to which he is accustomed may be quite another.
The rotator cuff is comprised of the tendons of four muscles around the shoulder. It lies fairly deep within the shoulder and attaches to the upper portion of the humerus (the long bone from the shoulder to the elbow). The rotator cuff provides rotation, elevation and stability to the arm and shoulder joint, and it's obviously crucial to a wrestler such Velasquez.
Velasquez's trainer, Javier Mendez, told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) the fighter has a 90 percent tear. For such an injury, a minimally invasive technique such as arthroscopic repair may not be an option for a high-caliber athlete who has a massive shoulder. Therefore, Velasquez probably will require an open surgery with a much larger incision and surgical field. And generally speaking, larger surgery equals longer recovery.
The recovery will be long – likely, in all honestly, a year. But the recovery is not my primary concern. My concerns lie with the overall strength and flexibility of his shoulder after the rehab. Also, will his repair, even after it has fully healed, stand up to the grind of training and the physicality of MMA competition?
As orthopedic surgeons, we have "fixed" a lot of shoulders in elite professional athletes, but our collective experience in the outcomes for rotator-cuff repairs in MMA athletes is brief to say the least. Unlike professional football and baseball injuries, we do not have 50 or more years of outcomes and experience on which to rely.
Also, MMA athletes are very different than other contact or combat athletes. Players in the NFL certainly possess the size and strength of Velasquez, but they do not need to be concerned with the torque generated and potential devastation of a kimura or omaplata on a surgically repaired shoulder.
Will his strikes carry the same explosive force?
Will his shoulder be a constant source of inflammation and pain during the long and grueling hours, weeks and months of training?
Defeating Lesnar was hard. Surgery and rehab will be difficult. But returning to championship form may be the toughest fight yet.
Speedy recovery Cain, and my prayers will be with you.
Dr. Johnny Benjamin is MMAjunkie.com's medical columnist and consultant and a noted combat-sports specialist. He is also a member of the Association of Boxing Commissions' MMA Medical Subcommittee. In addition to his "Ask the Fight Doc" feature, Dr. Benjamin pens "Medical Beat" columns about issues relating to health care and combat sports. You can find Dr. Benjamin online at www.drjohnnybenjamin.com, and you can read his other sports-related articles at blog.drjohnnybenjamin.com. | |
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captain organic Bronze Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:21 pm | |
| So the surgery has not yet happened? And the recovery might take a year? As in he won't be able to train until a year after the surgery?
Major, major blow to the division. | |
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Primetyme199 Brown Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:24 pm | |
| If it's going to be a year there probably will be an interim belt. | |
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bobbitt15 Gold Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:28 pm | |
| Yeah my friends have had rotator cuff surgeries it isn't any joke. Interim belt and who knows how strong that shoulder will be when Cain comes back | |
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LA Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:40 pm | |
| - killerofchicken wrote:
- Why the hell would they give him a shot?
Did you not watch Brock vs Cain? wheres the logic behind this? Logic? 1.) Cain being out for an extended period of time, 2.) Brock being the last Champ before Cain, 3.) Brock have the longest run at HW just before said loss, 4.) No other top contenders currently in much better standing within the division. Brock vs JDS for interim may very well happen now | |
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bobbitt15 Gold Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:42 pm | |
| So to go over the HW shitstorm right now:
Cain possibly out a year Nelson in contract limbo for who knows how long Carwin out for probably another 5-7 months
JDS-Brock for interim belt could be a very likely scenario at this point | |
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LA Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:45 pm | |
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captain organic Bronze Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:53 pm | |
| So Brock will have been given a title shot with only 1 win, and then will be given a shot coming off a loss?
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Ludo Bronze Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:54 pm | |
| - captain organic wrote:
- So Brock will have been given a title shot with only 1 win, and then will be given a shot coming off a loss?
A loss in which he lost the title after having one of the most successful heavyweight title runs in UFC history. Plus he's a big draw and a big name opponent for JDS. | |
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LA Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: Injured Shoulder Sidelines Velasquez Until Summer Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:58 pm | |
| - Ludo wrote:
- captain organic wrote:
- So Brock will have been given a title shot with only 1 win, and then will be given a shot coming off a loss?
A loss in which he lost the title after having one of the most successful heavyweight title runs in UFC history. Plus he's a big draw and a big name opponent for JDS. This And looking at the landscape in the division right now This isn't SF, you don't give guys coming off losses Title shots when there actually is better opponents. | |
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