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So the families of 9/11 victims feel that the pentagon was hit by a missile? Or are you really just trying to say that the victims' families are asking the same questions you are? Could it be that in order to make sense of a loved one passing in such a manner could lead to a person beginning to think things that are far from rational? I don't know if you have ever lost someone close to you but it can put some very warped concepts into your brain for a time.

No. Actually workers inside the Pentagon think it was hit by a missile or bomb.

And yes, the victims families are asking the same questions i am, because they too know that they have been lied too.

Far from rational? That makes sense from someone who doesn't even know the story. Honestly im not gonna waste my time if you are not willing to look at the evidence and even consider any other option than the "official story".

So then you have done research and know without a shadow of a doubt that these things have not been answered? Or did you just take whoever's word for it because to have included that information would have made the whole thing look bad?

Are you speaking with these families to know for sure or are you again taking someone at they're word that they knew/loved someone so as to further make a case of validity to the questions they ask?

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Ludo wrote:

So the families of 9/11 victims feel that the pentagon was hit by a missile? Or are you really just trying to say that the victims' families are asking the same questions you are? Could it be that in order to make sense of a loved one passing in such a manner could lead to a person beginning to think things that are far from rational? I don't know if you have ever lost someone close to you but it can put some very warped concepts into your brain for a time.

In response to the video the above bold seems applicable. Fighter pilots, crime scene tampering, outside investigations for internal government affairs? I can answer any of those.

Fighter Pilots were not aware of nor given enough time to make such an interception because we weren't aware of the full intentions of things that day, furthermore it would reflect even more harshly to those who had family members who were killed if our own fighter pilots had shot the planes down.

People spent a month digging through the remains of the world trade center, thus tampering with a crime scene in the hopes of finding survivors. The pentagon was investigated after being cleared for the reason that it is in fact the pentagon. Flight 93 was in pieces when they found it. Engines buried several feet in the ground, chunks of the cabin strewn around, they are still finding fragments over a mile and a half away. Only 1500 pieces, weighing 600 pounds of human debris were found, totaling only eight percent that wasn't consumed by the crash itself.

Imagine if you will what kind of precedent it sets when one of the super powers of the world allows outside investigations to be performed on it's inner most workings?

dont worry Ludo, im sitting in my basement with my tin foil hat on going to all my crazy conspiracy websites to get all this info. Not interviews from firefighters, rescue workers, clean up crew, the Secretary of Transportation, people who experienced and were inside the Towers and the Pentagon. Nope, im just making all of this up, because it's fun to do......

Ludo wrote:

Ludo wrote:

So the families of 9/11 victims feel that the pentagon was hit by a missile? Or are you really just trying to say that the victims' families are asking the same questions you are? Could it be that in order to make sense of a loved one passing in such a manner could lead to a person beginning to think things that are far from rational? I don't know if you have ever lost someone close to you but it can put some very warped concepts into your brain for a time.

In response to the video the above bold seems applicable. Fighter pilots, crime scene tampering, outside investigations for internal government affairs? I can answer any of those.

Fighter Pilots were not aware of nor given enough time to make such an interception because we weren't aware of the full intentions of things that day, furthermore it would reflect even more harshly to those who had family members who were killed if our own fighter pilots had shot the planes down.

People spent a month digging through the remains of the world trade center, thus tampering with a crime scene in the hopes of finding survivors. The pentagon was investigated after being cleared for the reason that it is in fact the pentagon. Flight 93 was in pieces when they found it. Engines buried several feet in the ground, chunks of the cabin strewn around, they are still finding fragments over a mile and a half away. Only 1500 pieces, weighing 600 pounds of human debris were found, totaling only eight percent that wasn't consumed by the crash itself.

Imagine if you will what kind of precedent it sets when one of the super powers of the world allows outside investigations to be performed on it's inner most workings?

Actually Norad was given a stand down order. The Pentagon was supposedly hit a full hour after the 1st tower was struck. That is plenty of time to scramble jets. Especially when you see that they are off course and have turned off they're transponders.

And the tampering of the crime scene is referring to destroying and shipping away almost all of the steel. It was never tested for explosives or anything because they destroyed all of the evidence. Before they ever let a clean up crew in they should have had an investigation. That never happened.

oggy420 wrote:

Ludo wrote:

Ludo wrote:

So the families of 9/11 victims feel that the pentagon was hit by a missile? Or are you really just trying to say that the victims' families are asking the same questions you are? Could it be that in order to make sense of a loved one passing in such a manner could lead to a person beginning to think things that are far from rational? I don't know if you have ever lost someone close to you but it can put some very warped concepts into your brain for a time.

In response to the video the above bold seems applicable. Fighter pilots, crime scene tampering, outside investigations for internal government affairs? I can answer any of those.

Fighter Pilots were not aware of nor given enough time to make such an interception because we weren't aware of the full intentions of things that day, furthermore it would reflect even more harshly to those who had family members who were killed if our own fighter pilots had shot the planes down.

People spent a month digging through the remains of the world trade center, thus tampering with a crime scene in the hopes of finding survivors. The pentagon was investigated after being cleared for the reason that it is in fact the pentagon. Flight 93 was in pieces when they found it. Engines buried several feet in the ground, chunks of the cabin strewn around, they are still finding fragments over a mile and a half away. Only 1500 pieces, weighing 600 pounds of human debris were found, totaling only eight percent that wasn't consumed by the crash itself.

Imagine if you will what kind of precedent it sets when one of the super powers of the world allows outside investigations to be performed on it's inner most workings?

Actually Norad was given a stand down order. The Pentagon was supposedly hit a full hour after the 1st tower was struck. That is plenty of time to scramble jets. Especially when you see that they are off course and have turned off they're transponders.

And the tampering of the crime scene is referring to destroying and shipping away almost all of the steel. It was never tested for explosives or anything because they destroyed all of the evidence. Before they ever let a clean up crew in they should have had an investigation. That never happened.

Yes and not long after the first tower was hit the second tower was hit. Tower 2 collapsed in under an hour after being hit. Tower 1 collapsed half an hour after tower 2 did. You mean to tell Me that with two planes hitting the buildings, and them collapsing within a span of roughly 90 minutes it's feasible amidst the panic and confusion that someone might be tracking the thousands of flights that day looking for ONE plane with it's transponder shut off and send fighter pilots after it to shoot it down without even knowing whether or not it was involved with the two planes that struck the towers? That's fucking insane.

Would testing for explosives have come out with much evidence either way? An airliner filled with jet fuel that encountered explosions upon impacting a large building midflight. So now that we have highly explosive material placed inside the object in question why bother testing for explosives? The answer clearly is that there were in fact explosives on or in the plane. For all we know the terrorists were wearing explosives of some kind. Where are you going with this?

Jesus Christ. Just tell yourself whatever you have to Ludo. The terrorist boarded the plane with explosives strapped on them now. Right. That makes sense.

Is it that far fetched? We do know they had firearms that were slipped through security. If you want to start throwing barbs because I don't agree with what your saying then perhaps it's best we ended the current discussion before things get out of hand.

Can I ask one of you who are dismissing this as BS a couple questions please?

1.How do you discredit a lady who was working in the pentagon when "whatever" happened and walked through the whole in the side of the pentagon saying that she didn't see anything that would indicate a plane had hit the building?

2.What do you think the goverment could have possibly been saving us from by only showing 5 frames of video and not actually show the video of the plane hitting the pentagon or atleast aproaching it?

I'm just asking I'm not trying to change anyones mind.

It looks like maskirovka to me.

MMAEYES wrote:

Can I ask one of you who are dismissing this as BS a couple questions please?

1.How do you discredit a lady who was working in the pentagon when "whatever" happened and walked through the whole in the side of the pentagon saying that she didn't see anything that would indicate a plane had hit the building?

2.What do you think the goverment could have possibly been saving us from by only showing 5 frames of video and not actually show the video of the plane hitting the pentagon or atleast aproaching it?

I'm just asking I'm not trying to change anyones mind.

I'm going to go with the terror factor here. Like when someone calls the exterminator while standing on a chair claiming to have just seen rats that are as big as their Doberman. Not to mention we don't have a great deal of well known instances where cruise liners had made kamikaze like contact with buildings like this. I would say there is a chance the woman was in a panic, probably being rushed away from the scene by other people and caught glimpses here and there, if any at all at the object in question. We do know that the "punch out" hole was in fact of similar size to the body width and height of a 757, but thats a whole other can of worms it seems.

As for the second question, 9/11 was the single biggest blow to america in history. Thousands of people died on home soil for a war they didn't sign up for or know was even happening. They boarded planes and went to work like any other day and for some of them it was the last day they ever saw on this earth. Do we really need gruesome reminders on video of it? What purpose would it serve to have these videos out and about on the internet to be played over and over like the one of Nick Berg? I'm not proposing we forget about that day or the events of it. But for gods sakes we don't need to see what we saw again.

so they can show us the planes hitting the towers countless times. It's literally been on television over thousands of times. But they have NEVER, i repeat NEVER, showed video of a plane approaching or hitting the Pentagon. There is no evidence of a plane even being there. No Wings, no engines, no seats, no luggage, nothing. And they don't want us to see any of the video from the 85 plus cameras that would have caught this plane crashing into the Pentagon? Why the fuck not? It's not like the Media hasn't been reminding us of the Towers being struck every year. Why not the Pentagon? Especially since there is significant holes in the story.

The fact is they have failed to produce a single shred of evidence that proves the "official story".

Ludo wrote:

MMAEYES wrote:

Can I ask one of you who are dismissing this as BS a couple questions please?

1.How do you discredit a lady who was working in the pentagon when "whatever" happened and walked through the whole in the side of the pentagon saying that she didn't see anything that would indicate a plane had hit the building?

2.What do you think the goverment could have possibly been saving us from by only showing 5 frames of video and not actually show the video of the plane hitting the pentagon or atleast aproaching it?

I'm just asking I'm not trying to change anyones mind.

I'm going to go with the terror factor here. Like when someone calls the exterminator while standing on a chair claiming to have just seen rats that are as big as their Doberman. Not to mention we don't have a great deal of well known instances where cruise liners had made kamikaze like contact with buildings like this. I would say there is a chance the woman was in a panic, probably being rushed away from the scene by other people and caught glimpses here and there, if any at all at the object in question. We do know that the "punch out" hole was in fact of similar size to the body width and height of a 757, but thats a whole other can of worms it seems.

As for the second question, 9/11 was the single biggest blow to america in history. Thousands of people died on home soil for a war they didn't sign up for or know was even happening. They boarded planes and went to work like any other day and for some of them it was the last day they ever saw on this earth. Do we really need gruesome reminders on video of it? What purpose would it serve to have these videos out and about on the internet to be played over and over like the one of Nick Berg? I'm not proposing we forget about that day or the events of it. But for gods sakes we don't need to see what we saw again.

We do know that the "punch out" hole was in fact of similar size to the body width and height of a 757, but thats a whole other can of worms it seems.

Really?





This hole is clearly too small for a 757 to fit through. Where did the wings hit exactly?

According to one website I was looking at when getting the specs of the punch out hole it is roughly 12-14 tall by about the same wide. The specs of the body of a boeing 757 is 12ft cylindrical. I've heard from several sources that to have travelled that close to the ground at top speed could have caused the wings to become damaged and impacting the E ring could have caused them to be knocked completely off. You honestly believe that four seperate rings of one of the most fortified buildings in the nation isn't enough to knock off the wings of a cruise liner?

Found this when I went to check out the GDP VS Freak show over at ESPN. It pretty much debunks everything Oggy. I have always thought along the same lines as you up until I saw this video. I still wonder about the hole on the inner wall and te fact that they found and photographed the cruise missile guidance peice/engine, or whatever it was. I can't remember because it has been so long since I saw that evidence.

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

Found this when I went to check out the GDP VS Freak show over at ESPN. It pretty much debunks everything Oggy. I have always thought along the same lines as you up until I saw this video. I still wonder about the hole on the inner wall and te fact that they found and photographed the cruise missile guidance peice/engine, or whatever it was. I can't remember because it has been so long since I saw that evidence.

you dissapoint me bbc. Now let me debunk that entire debunking video.

It is still impossible to execute a 330 degree turn at 530 mph. Especially for someone who could barely get a small engine plane off the ground (we know this because they trained at our flight schools and military bases).
Please watch this video before declaring the Pentagon attack "debunked". It is a video made by professional pilots.


and that's just 1 of 9 videos

Also, the video's that supposedly show the plain, do not. That is just poor attempt to fabricate the truth. There is no video evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon. Period.


As for explosions not beginning until the collapse had begun, well that couldn't be further from the truth.



Listen to this man clearly say, there was an explosion in the basement before the plane ever hit the north tower


and yet this man's interview in front of the 911 commission never made it into the official report...

so that clearly show's mass evidence of explosions in the lobby before the collapse had begun

as for building 7... all of the evidence points to prior knowledge of the collapse, and a controlled demolition.


not to mention nano termite was found in the dust from building 7



Do i need to continue debunking this video that apparently debunks all of the questions of what really happened on 911?

Ludo wrote:

According to one website I was looking at when getting the specs of the punch out hole it is roughly 12-14 tall by about the same wide. The specs of the body of a boeing 757 is 12ft cylindrical. I've heard from several sources that to have travelled that close to the ground at top speed could have caused the wings to become damaged and impacting the E ring could have caused them to be knocked completely off. You honestly believe that four seperate rings of one of the most fortified buildings in the nation isn't enough to knock off the wings of a cruise liner?

If the wings broke off, where are they? Where is the tail section? Where are the photos of that?

Don't ever expect BBC to think outside the box Oggy. Way way too scary for most people to not believe the TV.


Just chill dude. Most people here don't want or need their world fucked up like this. 911 is obviously fishy as fuck but I hold to my idea that no matter who did the actual crime itself, the same root cause is always to blame.

It's either our awful Zionist foreign policy really caused a terror attack and thus it is the fault of our Zionist policy and support of Israel.

Or Israel did it to make us more anti-Islamic and again Israel is to blame.

Or we did it to justify Zionist wars of aggression.

Short of M-1 tanks rolling through the ruins of Tel Aviv, no justice will ever be had for 9-11.

congress is still passing laws to this day based off 911. But the biggest thing was the passing of the Patriot Act. Single handedly destroyed our civil rights and liberties, and set the wheels in motion for the Police State we are seeing put into place right now.

Not to mention the countless wars they have used 911 to justify.

Wolf, i realize that Israel is a terrorist nation. And we know that they had advanced knowledge of the attacks at least. But do not dismiss our own leaders from their responsibility in this. Basically anyone that is related in any way to the Bilderberg group, Council on Foreign Relations, or Trilateral Commission knew exactly what was going to happen on that day. They murdered 3,000 people so that they could push their tyranny on us and justify it by telling us that they are protecting us. Our leaders are murderers and warmongers. Every single one of them deserves to be put to death for treason.

And for those who will dismiss this as conspiracy babble, let's here from David Rockefeller himself. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg Group, and Trilateral Commission.

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."

David Rockefeller

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller... Baden-Baden, Germany 1991



"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it" - John Rockefeller

i mean these people are admitting it. Right out in the open. And still people do not care. Mind control and social engineering has definitely been the most effective tool for them.

oggy420 wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

Found this when I went to check out the GDP VS Freak show over at ESPN. It pretty much debunks everything Oggy. I have always thought along the same lines as you up until I saw this video. I still wonder about the hole on the inner wall and te fact that they found and photographed the cruise missile guidance peice/engine, or whatever it was. I can't remember because it has been so long since I saw that evidence.

you dissapoint me bbc. Now let me debunk that entire debunking video.

It is still impossible to execute a 330 degree turn at 530 mph. Especially for someone who could barely get a small engine plane off the ground (we know this because they trained at our flight schools and military bases).
Please watch this video before declaring the Pentagon attack "debunked". It is a video made by professional pilots.


and that's just 1 of 9 videos

Also, the video's that supposedly show the plain, do not. That is just poor attempt to fabricate the truth. There is no video evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon. Period.


As for explosions not beginning until the collapse had begun, well that couldn't be further from the truth.



Listen to this man clearly say, there was an explosion in the basement before the plane ever hit the north tower


and yet this man's interview in front of the 911 commission never made it into the official report...

so that clearly show's mass evidence of explosions in the lobby before the collapse had begun

as for building 7... all of the evidence points to prior knowledge of the collapse, and a controlled demolition.


not to mention nano termite was found in the dust from building 7



Do i need to continue debunking this video that apparently debunks all of the questions of what really happened on 911?

I'll watch them all later. I am pretty much on your side here, however the video I posted does show parts of the plane on the Lawn of the pentagon. How do you explain that? Are they just fake or what? I love this topic so much. I can't wait to get home and watch the vids you posted. I think I have watched one of them.

One other thing, How do you know the plane was going 530mph? I see big airplanes moving so slow near the airport it looks like they are floating. I am sure the terrorists flying the plane could have lowerd the landing gear and slowed the plane down you know. Maybe they were going 530mph and slowed the plane down right before the turn? I don't care what radar was tracking them, you can't just say for sure that is how fast the plane was going. I think that number is made up.