Tonight - ESPN 30 for 30: One Night in Vegas

http://30for30.espn.com/film/one-night-in-vegas.html

Gotta set the DVR for this one!

i will definitely be watching

I have always said if Bruce Seldon isnt such a big pussy maybe Pac doesnt get killed that night

Birdofthad wrote:

i will definitely be watching

I have always said if Bruce Seldon isnt such a big pussy maybe Pac doesnt get killed that night

i think thats wrong, 2pac was shot hours after the fight. The fight could of went 12 rounds and he would of still been hit that night.

BTW, I look foward in watching this doc. 2pac and Tyson, who cannot like this.

ya but Diego will Pac be stomping some crip in the hotel less than 30 minutes after the fight?

Birdofthad wrote:

ya but Diego will Pac be stomping some crip in the hotel less than 30 minutes after the fight?

I feel he would of died later that night regardless if he and Death Row would have stomped that crip out. If not that night, It would ahve been some other night that someone would of ran up on 2pac.

completely agree he wouldnt be alive today, but there is a reason Orlando Anderson got killed 2 years of that beating and 2pacs death were linked without a doubt in my mind

Andersons death remains unsolved as well

Birdofthad wrote:

completely agree he wouldnt be alive today, but there is a reason Orlando Anderson got killed 2 years of that beating and 2pacs death were linked without a doubt in my mind

Andersons death remains unsolved as well

Well Im pretty sure his death was gang related. People believe Orlando was 2pac killer, just like people believed Fat Tone was Mac Dres Killer, rumors are rarely true. 2pac was running with bloods, he was bound to be killed... I mean he was asking to get killed.

well Pacs mom Afeni Shakur sued Anderson and won so she obviously believed the "rumor"

Birdofthad wrote:

well Pacs mom Afeni Shakur sued Anderson and won so she obviously believed the "rumor"

Sued him for what? what kid of money did she get from some loser?

The man didnt even charged for any crimes realted to 2Pac

I don't recall the detail of the facts referenced above. While I am an attorney, I do not practice in criminal law, nor would I ever want to.

There is a different threshold for winning a civil case for damages as opposed to convicting someone of a crime.

Criminal- beyond a reasonable doubt- pretty darn high threshold; one of my best friends from law school who has been a prosecutor for 7 years basically says he would estimate it at 90-95% likelihood (though judges and courts don't put a number to % of likelihood).

Civil-preponderance of the evidence- more likely than not; over 50% likelihood and you win;

Diego408 wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

well Pacs mom Afeni Shakur sued Anderson and won so she obviously believed the "rumor"

Sued him for what? what kid of money did she get from some loser?

The man didnt even charged for any crimes realted to 2Pac

Anderson sued Suge Knight and was rewarded 80 grand, Afeni counter sued him for wrongful death suit and was rewarded the 80 grand he had just won from Suge

He was not wise enough to rise above that ghetto nonsense despite being wealthy. Consequently, the lifestyle caught up to him.

live by the gun

guess how you die?

HOLY SHIT
Chris COnnely just name dropped Jack Johnson props

hahah oh shit Nas goes from Johnson to Marciano

and now for Al Sharpton

wow these little def jam poetry wanna bes are annoying as hell

agreed, that poetry was not rather impressive

it was rather shitty

I'm terribly disappointed by this already. Disjointed and unfocused. They have 60 minutes to tell a story and they've spent 20 doing nothing.

Yeah, it is jumping all over the place.

definitely noth taht good

how can fuck up tyson and 2pac

this comic book thing is annoying as well atleast we didnt hear the two pissy kids with lisps rap about slavery and boxing like mexicans never stepped in a ring

so basically that hour taught us nothing we didnt kow

Seldon pussied out

Tyson was a crazy fighter

and 2pac got shot

I couldn't have been less interested in the subject matter..

how can you do a story with Iron Mike and Tupac and it was boring.

Comic book idea-bad
weak def jam poetry wanna be-bad
maya angelou seemed out of place

most of the 30 for 30 have ranged from decent to good. I thought that one was rather mediocre