New Champions in 2010

Yeah but this was compared with Mousasi at that time

I'm suprised so many people are thinking Torres wins his belt back, I think Bowles has proved he's more than legit, he's stronger, a harder puncher and has great wrestling to keep it standing. Torres takes too much damage, I think Bowles would finish him again.

maybe, i dont know i just dont feel like i've seen enough of bowles to convince me he's the best, but fuck maybe he is...

He's def good, it's not like Torres still isn't mad good, I just think Bowles beats him again

While it might surprise some, Bowles has been in the WEC longer than Torres and they both have exactly 4 top bonafide top ten wins, and all of Bowles opponents are still ranked on sherdog, many of Torres' are not, such as Manny Tapia and Chase Beebee.

Bowles has 8 fights, but at least half of them are dominations of top ten fighters. Miguel has been in his share of battles in the WEC. The only WEC fight who wasn't a sure thing top ten win is Charlie Valencia( and I am pretty sure he has been ranked in the top ten in the past, is a former title contender for Faber's KOTC crown before he was exclusive to WEC, and is no can with wins over Antonio Banuelos and 3 other WEC fights) If you count him, Bowles has more top ten wins than Torres does.

Bowles only has 3 club fighter type wins, Torres has 30+. This is the main difference. Go through them all on fight-finder. The vast, vast majority of them have losing records or only 1 single fight, the fight with Torres. Torres is the most padded fighter of all time in MMA, not even Igor Vovchanchyn comes close. Go through his record. You will literally laugh your ass off.

All that said, I do see Torres as someone with enough natural skill and ability to become more elusive and avoid the big shootouts that cost him finally, given his speed and length.

But no, Brian Bowles is the better fighter. He has, regardless of all the 200 cans he has crushed, the better resume, and has flatted Torres.

didnt you just predict hi to lose this year in another thread? lol

I predicted he'd lose to someone not named torres in this thread, is that what you mean?

Yeah he predicted he'd lose, but not to Torres, which is highly doubtful

So who then Cruz?

Not sure who he loses to, but kind of like FW has been here as of late, I don't feel these divisions are solid enough yet to not have parity with other guys beating guys a lot. Too many other young guys, too turbulent.

Not that I'd be surprised if he stayed undefeated. Bowles is really good. I also wouldn't be overly shocked if Torres didn't win a rematch. Bowles I feel is better, but Torres could improve with this loss. Before Brian he was all "I have more confidence in my chin than ever now" and "its all about brawling for a show". Maybe he'll fight smarter.

Again, hard to say with these relatively young, recent additions to the fight game.

I see no one besides Torres, though I don't think so, beating Bowles

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Bowles loses to someone not named Torres. Torres will have to get another Shooto fighter with arms half the size of his having his first fight in the US before he gets his title back.

Aldo loses to Faber.

Brock would have lost his title either way, but now he certainly will. Likely to Mir, or all the guys better than he was anyway, Nog, Cain, maybe Fedor and so on.

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Wolfgangsta wrote:

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josh200612 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

rofl@the idea of Machida losing to Rampage. Rampage would need his monster truck first.

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