You didn't build that

I seriously don't understand how anyone can be passionate about either one of these two guys. I think it's a tough call on which candidate is shittier.

imo it isn't close.

ROmney has backed away from his clear cut greatest accomplishment, and won't release his tax returns while running on being a great business man.

You don't make a non issue an issue unless something is up. He has given Obama tons of ammunition by not releasing his returns.

YOu can look at Obamas returns from 2000 to 2012, Romneys, only 2011, something is up. Look into his 100 million dollar trust fund.

and jut so no one thinks i have been a big Obama guy from the start, I didn't vote last election, i liked Obama and McCain, thought aObama might not have enough experience and thought it was obvious as daylight that Sarah Palin was not ready to be president or vice president at that.

I sat that one out, this will be the first election i participate in

OU wrote:

Bird do you honestly think Obama is that much better candidate? Really?

and not to beat a dead horse (i appreciate you asking my opinion)
But its clear Romney has lied, even Newt Gingrich has called him a liar numerous times, he also clearly doesn't understand foreign policy very well, hence he has no foreign policy plan yet and has stated "Russia is americas greatest threat".
Last time we had people like that in the white house was Bush, when Bush took office the NSA Richard Clarke stated the #1 threat to america was Osama Bin Ladens Al Qaeda" Bush completely disagreed and thought Russia was, hence bringing in Mr Cold War Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and expert on Soviet Union Russia Condoleeza Rice.

We don't need another liar in the white house.

Well to be fair, the fact that I'm even considering voting Obama should tell you I do not like Mitt. Never thought I'd vote Democrat for president, said that many times. My Uncle is a politician here in Oklahoma and works at the State Capital. So Republicans generally get extra points from me. I know all politicians are liars, but damn Mitt lies alot. But Obama isn't much better himself. I'll have to look closely at the people that will be surrounding the president and that might secure my vote. I'm having a tough time here because I really don't like either one.

OU wrote:

Well to be fair, the fact that I'm even considering voting Obama should tell you I do not like Mitt. Never thought I'd vote Democrat for president, said that many times. My Uncle is a politician here in Oklahoma and works at the State Capital. So Republicans generally get extra points from me. I know all politicians are liars, but damn Mitt lies alot. But Obama isn't much better himself. I'll have to look closely at the people that will be surrounding the president and that might secure my vote. I'm having a tough time here because I really don't like either one.

hey nothing wrong with that at all, that as what its all about, forming your own opinion, I don't think anyone should let what others think sway their opinion, just in this case I believe Romney is a liar and will do harm to the country. Thats pretty cool ya got family in politics, if weed ever becomes legal I wouldn't mind trying lol.

I have been making phone calls for the Obama campaign (calling Florida) and polling voters, I have been surprised with the amount of Republicans who are saying they are sitting this year out. Cant say I blame them if ideology wouldn't allow them to vote Democrat.

Birdofthad wrote:

OU wrote:

Well to be fair, the fact that I'm even considering voting Obama should tell you I do not like Mitt. Never thought I'd vote Democrat for president, said that many times. My Uncle is a politician here in Oklahoma and works at the State Capital. So Republicans generally get extra points from me. I know all politicians are liars, but damn Mitt lies alot. But Obama isn't much better himself. I'll have to look closely at the people that will be surrounding the president and that might secure my vote. I'm having a tough time here because I really don't like either one.

hey nothing wrong with that at all, that as what its all about, forming your own opinion, I don't think anyone should let what others think sway their opinion, just in this case I believe Romney is a liar and will do harm to the country. Thats pretty cool ya got family in politics, if weed ever becomes legal I wouldn't mind trying lol.

I have been making phone calls for the Obama campaign (calling Florida) and polling voters, I have been surprised with the amount of Republicans who are saying they are sitting this year out. Cant say I blame them if ideology wouldn't allow them to vote Democrat.

Yeah it's my dad's brother, I use to see him alot more before my dad died. Weird thing though his son(my cousin) just walked out the door here at my work. He was having his car worked on down the street and stopped by. My uncle started as County Commissioner here in my hometown then he was State Auditor and now he is just a representative at the Capital. Can't remember what office he ran for last but he lost.

damn thats cool, I have really gotten into politics the last 4 to 5 years and part of me wants to get into it, the other half just wants to smoke and watch combat sports and Oregon Duck games lol

Birdofthad wrote:

damn thats cool, I have really gotten into politics the last 4 to 5 years and part of me wants to get into it, the other half just wants to smoke and watch combat sports and Oregon Duck games lol

Whats cool is this same uncle gets me tickets to OU games all the time. He and his politic buddies have season tickets but can't always make the games. Some even have multiple sets so I'll get the shittier ones that aren't used lol. Also my same cousin I mention often goes with me to the games. The 1st 2 OU-Texas games I went to were with my uncle and cousin.

OU wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

damn thats cool, I have really gotten into politics the last 4 to 5 years and part of me wants to get into it, the other half just wants to smoke and watch combat sports and Oregon Duck games lol

Whats cool is this same uncle gets me tickets to OU games all the time. He and his politic buddies have season tickets but can't always make the games. Some even have multiple sets so I'll get the shittier ones that aren't used lol. Also my same cousin I mention often goes with me to the games. The 1st 2 OU-Texas games I went to were with my uncle and cousin.

damn thats bad ass,nothing like a football ticket hook up, you think ya might go to the game this year?

Birdofthad wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

Farmer, do you understand Mitts 100 million dollar trust fund???

you can only put 20,000 in each year (highest he could have was 26,000 per year) In addition, there's a "lifetime gift-tax exclusion" for all the boys that totaled $1.2 million back in 1995 and has since grown to $10 million., Mitts been doing it for 15 years.
Add it all up, and the Romneys could have gifted $1.3 million in 1995, and a total of $10.6 million through 2011. All tax free.
Somehow Mitt claims the fund is now worth 100 million dollars.
To get to $100 million, the account would have needed a 26% average annual compound rate of return, said Jonathan Bergman, chief investment officer at Palisades Hudson Asset Management. Stocks over that same time have gained about 10%.

AND YOU WONDER WHY HE WONT RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS?
Something is up.

I don't know what the law was previously but for years been 13k per year tax free. Maybe the 26k is from Mittens and mrs mittens.

There also is another exclusion that is going expire that is 5 million tax free that is separate from the 13 k per year. I don't know all the details of it though.

I'm sure mittens pays extremely smart people to invest that money. Then on top of that I'm sure being as big and powerful as he is hell get some inside info to make even more. Maybe the kids got apple when it was cheap.

or the more likely way you turn 450,000 into 100 million , is you lie about the value, which would be shown in his tax returns........

I still don't understand why this matters. He's good at making money. People should be asking for advice not going after him.

Farmer1906 wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

Farmer, do you understand Mitts 100 million dollar trust fund???

you can only put 20,000 in each year (highest he could have was 26,000 per year) In addition, there's a "lifetime gift-tax exclusion" for all the boys that totaled $1.2 million back in 1995 and has since grown to $10 million., Mitts been doing it for 15 years.
Add it all up, and the Romneys could have gifted $1.3 million in 1995, and a total of $10.6 million through 2011. All tax free.
Somehow Mitt claims the fund is now worth 100 million dollars.
To get to $100 million, the account would have needed a 26% average annual compound rate of return, said Jonathan Bergman, chief investment officer at Palisades Hudson Asset Management. Stocks over that same time have gained about 10%.

AND YOU WONDER WHY HE WONT RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS?
Something is up.

I don't know what the law was previously but for years been 13k per year tax free. Maybe the 26k is from Mittens and mrs mittens.

There also is another exclusion that is going expire that is 5 million tax free that is separate from the 13 k per year. I don't know all the details of it though.

I'm sure mittens pays extremely smart people to invest that money. Then on top of that I'm sure being as big and powerful as he is hell get some inside info to make even more. Maybe the kids got apple when it was cheap.

or the more likely way you turn 450,000 into 100 million , is you lie about the value, which would be shown in his tax returns........

I still don't understand why this matters. He's good at making money. People should be asking for advice not going after him.

Im sorry Farmer but I don't think you understand things, you fail to realize the Republicans created the current HealthCare that passed the Supreme Court (yes, republicans created the mandate) and you don't understand why someone claiming to have flipped 450,000 dollars worth of stock into 100,000,000 is fucking shady, especially when they won't release their tax returns showing the real value of their stocks.

Sorry but you claiming this is a non issue either shows you don't get it, or you know how bad it looks and are trying to play it off.

Birdofthad wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

Farmer, do you understand Mitts 100 million dollar trust fund???

you can only put 20,000 in each year (highest he could have was 26,000 per year) In addition, there's a "lifetime gift-tax exclusion" for all the boys that totaled $1.2 million back in 1995 and has since grown to $10 million., Mitts been doing it for 15 years.
Add it all up, and the Romneys could have gifted $1.3 million in 1995, and a total of $10.6 million through 2011. All tax free.
Somehow Mitt claims the fund is now worth 100 million dollars.
To get to $100 million, the account would have needed a 26% average annual compound rate of return, said Jonathan Bergman, chief investment officer at Palisades Hudson Asset Management. Stocks over that same time have gained about 10%.

AND YOU WONDER WHY HE WONT RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS?
Something is up.

I don't know what the law was previously but for years been 13k per year tax free. Maybe the 26k is from Mittens and mrs mittens.

There also is another exclusion that is going expire that is 5 million tax free that is separate from the 13 k per year. I don't know all the details of it though.

I'm sure mittens pays extremely smart people to invest that money. Then on top of that I'm sure being as big and powerful as he is hell get some inside info to make even more. Maybe the kids got apple when it was cheap.

or the more likely way you turn 450,000 into 100 million , is you lie about the value, which would be shown in his tax returns........

I still don't understand why this matters. He's good at making money. People should be asking for advice not going after him.

Im sorry Farmer but I don't think you understand things, you fail to realize the Republicans created the current HealthCare that passed the Supreme Court (yes, republicans created the mandate) and you don't understand why someone claiming to have flipped 450,000 dollars worth of stock into 100,000,000 is fucking shady, especially when they won't release their tax returns showing the real value of their stocks.

Sorry but you claiming this is a non issue either shows you don't get it, or you know how bad it looks and are trying to play it off.

Obama won't release his college stuff. He doesn't have an official birth certificate. How about some more non issues to cloud the what really matters.

Republicans or Dems. It doesn't matter. Obamacare & Romneycare is pure garbage.

hahahha Farmer come on is that the best you can do

Ya your right, the state of Hawaii has been in on a conspiracy for over 49 years, every governor for the past 49 years from the state of Hawaii has been concealing the truth about Barrack Obama, they are all in on it.

Lets ook at college records, ahhaha you really are grasping for thin air, how about we look at what Romneys taxes have been for the last decade while he has claimed he flipped 450,000 into 100,000,000 during the biggest economic downturn in our nations history since the great depression.

Oh thats not enough, how about we just look into the 101 million he has kept in the Cayman Islands, but ya, your right, Obama is a muslim, communist, socialist, fascist, who believes in the teachings of Elijah Muhammad.

hhahahah wake the fuck up. THIS ISNT A NON ISSUE Mitt Romney is running on, get this, not his time as an actual politician because he wants to distance himself from that record, since ya know, Obama copied his greatest accomplishment, but his time as a business man. only problem is, he doesn't want us to look at his books.

If Obama tried to pull the shit Romney has done and will not show us, you would be having a field day, instead you are grasping at bullshit birther claims and college records.

How about we look at Romney during his college era, ya know the time when he moved to France for 3 fucking years to avoid the Vietnam War.

Birdofthad wrote:

OU wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

damn thats cool, I have really gotten into politics the last 4 to 5 years and part of me wants to get into it, the other half just wants to smoke and watch combat sports and Oregon Duck games lol

Whats cool is this same uncle gets me tickets to OU games all the time. He and his politic buddies have season tickets but can't always make the games. Some even have multiple sets so I'll get the shittier ones that aren't used lol. Also my same cousin I mention often goes with me to the games. The 1st 2 OU-Texas games I went to were with my uncle and cousin.

damn thats bad ass,nothing like a football ticket hook up, you think ya might go to the game this year?

Not sure. Probably about 50/50 shot. Unless I get the hook up those tickets are expensive. I went last year, that was my 3rd time going. Since OU will be favored to win again this year I might go. I have been lucky enough that OU is 3-0 when I have gone. OU stomped Texas my 1st time going. It was Vince Young's freshman year and I forget the starter it was either Applewhite or Mock I think. OU killed Texas but Vince Young had 1 run that seemed like it was 150yards long lol, everyone around me said "damn, this guy is going to be tough the next couple years". I NEVER want to go to the game when OU loses. I actually passed up tickets to go the last year Vince Young played.

ya man I dont blame yo, I went to the 4 when Serg played at Texas, and if I wouldn't be able to afford those tickets on my own, lol. Ya your right it was Chance Mock who got his ass kicked that year, I remember when they put Young in as well. This year is definitely a good year to go if you are a Oklahoma fan, its amazing how shitty Texas has gotten in such a little amount of time.

To many divas who thought they were entitled to just show up and automatically get 10 wins, I think Ash sucks, at least when young was a freshman you could see the talent was there, with Ash, Im not so sure.

Birdofthad wrote:

ya man I dont blame yo, I went to the 4 when Serg played at Texas, and if I wouldn't be able to afford those tickets on my own, lol. Ya your right it was Chance Mock who got his ass kicked that year, I remember when they put Young in as well. This year is definitely a good year to go if you are a Oklahoma fan, its amazing how shitty Texas has gotten in such a little amount of time.

To many divas who thought they were entitled to just show up and automatically get 10 wins, I think Ash sucks, at least when young was a freshman you could see the talent was there, with Ash, Im not so sure.

Well if it makes you feel any better OU's OL has been destroyed this offseason. Some major injuries that have really killed our OL. Gonna be a rough start. Our most experienced lineman tore his ACL and another starter had to retire from football because of built up injuries. OL is not a position you can afford to be weak in. So there is a ray of hope for Texas right there. Not only that but we have had some discipline problems, mainly with the WRs.

well I guess if theres anything Texas still has , its a good front 7 but thats about it, they really have fallen off pretty bad, y'all still have Landry Jones right?

Birdofthad wrote:

well I guess if theres anything Texas still has , its a good front 7 but thats about it, they really have fallen off pretty bad, y'all still have Landry Jones right?

Yep, he is still there. Might be wishing he went pro now with these line problems lol, he probably would be in Miami right now because he is much much better then Tannehill.

OU wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

well I guess if theres anything Texas still has , its a good front 7 but thats about it, they really have fallen off pretty bad, y'all still have Landry Jones right?

Yep, he is still there. Might be wishing he went pro now with these line problems lol, he probably would be in Miami right now because he is much much better then Tannehill.

god I still don't get the hype surrounding Tannehill, I think he has bust written all over him, shit even if falls line is rough y'all will be good with Landry, do y'all open the season with a couple gimme games?

Birdofthad wrote:

OU wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

well I guess if theres anything Texas still has , its a good front 7 but thats about it, they really have fallen off pretty bad, y'all still have Landry Jones right?

Yep, he is still there. Might be wishing he went pro now with these line problems lol, he probably would be in Miami right now because he is much much better then Tannehill.

god I still don't get the hype surrounding Tannehill, I think he has bust written all over him, shit even if falls line is rough y'all will be good with Landry, do y'all open the season with a couple gimme games?

Hell yeah we do. We go to UTEP and then come home for Florida A&M. Don't remember what comes next.

Tannehill wins roty over luck.

lol, Farmer if Tannehill has a decent season you can pick my sig for a month

Farmer1906 wrote:

Tannehill wins roty over luck.

LOL, I still can't beleive he went before the 3rd round.

Birdofthad wrote:

lol, Farmer if Tannehill has a decent season you can pick my sig for a month

What qb rating do you consider good?