You didn't build that

Farmer1906 wrote:

OU wrote:

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Bird flipped in this thread.

Also, there is not a damn thing wrong with Romney having a horse in the olympics or being rich.

Obama's going to have a hard time proving Romney is the wrong guy for the economy and creating jobs when the camparison is himself. What the fuck does Obama know about running a steady economy and creating jobs? I've yet to see it. We know Obama knows how to spend money, point fingers at everthing and everyone except a mirror, and vilify people with wealth...i could have done that.

I can't believe the first guy i ever exercised my right to vote on was Barack Obama

Mine was George fucking Bush. I would make that vote again in a heart beat. My 2nd vote went to John McCain. Howeva, I do not know who will get my 3rd vote. Having a tough time with these 2 douche bags.

How can anyone that's watched thus president for 4 years have any question that he has no business sitting in the oval office another 4.

Because his opponent isn't any more attractive. The man(Mitt) is a slimmy little weasel.

Agreed but there is no way he could do as much damage if he tried as bho.

Farmer1906 wrote:

Agreed but there is no way he could do as much damage if he tried as bho.

I'm not convinced Mitt is the lesser of two evils. I really don't know which guy I will give the nod to.

Farmer1906 wrote:

OU wrote:

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Bird flipped in this thread.

Also, there is not a damn thing wrong with Romney having a horse in the olympics or being rich.

Obama's going to have a hard time proving Romney is the wrong guy for the economy and creating jobs when the camparison is himself. What the fuck does Obama know about running a steady economy and creating jobs? I've yet to see it. We know Obama knows how to spend money, point fingers at everthing and everyone except a mirror, and vilify people with wealth...i could have done that.

I can't believe the first guy i ever exercised my right to vote on was Barack Obama

Mine was George fucking Bush. I would make that vote again in a heart beat. My 2nd vote went to John McCain. Howeva, I do not know who will get my 3rd vote. Having a tough time with these 2 douche bags.

How can anyone that's watched thus president for 4 years have any question that he has no business sitting in the oval office another 4.

its simple
I watched his predecessor fuck the country up for 8 years.

so Farmer, you are against Obama because of his healthcare bill?
so you turn around and back the man who created it, and stated in his book he would do the same thing on a Federal level, then said in a debate with other Republicans that he liked the mandate.


Interesting.......

Birdofthad wrote:

so Farmer, you are against Obama because of his healthcare bill?
so you turn around and back the man who created it, and stated in his book he would do the same thing on a Federal level, then said in a debate with other Republicans that he liked the mandate.


Interesting.......

Can you read? I don't support Mittens. He will get my vote. The difference between Mittens and Obama is that when a republican congress tries to get rid of that shit, Mittens will sign it. Obama will not.

Definiely damage control. Romney will be far less conservative should he get in the white house, but Obama is too far gone. Trying to think of a new term for socialism because his ideas won't be accepted under their original name and dividing this country more than its been in recent memory. Romney has actually proven to be able to work with republicans and democrats in the past. Because yes, he's a panderer but Obama just blames all his failure on republican congress when most of his brutal failures came when he and the liberal dominated house and senate had a free for all spending and passing bullshit. Obama is as big of a flip flopper and panderer as Romney can dream to be. Atleast Obama came up for a nice term for flip flopping...Romney has simply "evolved" in some of his stances.

Can Romney turn this country around? i don't know..but i do know Obama will only drive this country further in the woods until we are completely out of gas. I'm tired of hearing what he came into...what has he done? 4 years is a long time for a trial period. He had 2 years to pass what he wanted and all it did was put us in deeper and show us that he was not interested in being the bi-partisan president he claimed he would be. I'm not worried who opened the wounds when somebody new is rubbing dirt in the wounds and opening them up wider instead of cleaning them out and stitching it.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Definiely damage control. Romney will be far less conservative should he get in the white house, but Obama is too far gone. Trying to think of a new term for socialism because his ideas won't be accepted under their original name and dividing this country more than its been in recent memory. Romney has actually proven to be able to work with republicans and democrats in the past. Because yes, he's a panderer but Obama just blames all his failure on republican congress when most of his brutal failures came when he and the liberal dominated house and senate had a free for all spending and passing bullshit. Obama is as big of a flip flopper and panderer as Romney can dream to be. Atleast Obama came up for a nice term for flip flopping...Romney has simply "evolved" in some of his stances.

Can Romney turn this country around? i don't know..but i do know Obama will only drive this country further in the woods until we are completely out of gas. I'm tired of hearing what he came into...what has he done? 4 years is a long time for a trial period. He had 2 years to pass what he wanted and all it did was put us in deeper and show us that he was not interested in being the bi-partisan president he claimed he would be. I'm not worried who opened the wounds when somebody new is rubbing dirt in the wounds and opening them up wider instead of cleaning them out and stitching it.

Very nicely said. I only disagree with 2 points.
-Obama is not much of a flip flopper relatively speaking.
-Romney cannot turn this country around. No question about it in my mind.

Not so much through the 4 years, but he sure has changed some stances to please interest groups throwing money into his campaign(elvolved gay marriage stance). I think he is definitely a panderer who will just about do and say anything to get back in office at this point.

I agree on Romney not being the answer. The reason i prefer Romney over Obama is because he's not too far one way. He may be acting way conservative right now but that would change if he got in..thats why conservatives arent crazy about him but Obama is going too far left too fast and 4 more years won't see enough push back to avoid this country being fucked for even longer once he has to get out of office. Also of course, getting rid of the health care bill.

One positive i see with Romney is that there would be more political balance with him. Both sides can work with him because Romney is a moderate with some lib tendencies in reality. I think he is a good transitional president until hopefully somebody good comes along in 2016 because i think Romney won't do anything drastic while Obama will..and we've already seen what happens when Obama tries to do big things.

The ultimate 2020 ticket
Prez-Marco Rubio
VP-Ted Cruz

KingsOwn19 wrote:

we've already seen what happens when Obama tries to do big things.

"you mean the green stimulus" or just the bailout in general?

But on Fox News this morning, Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul went "off-script," and amid a larger declaration about the ad being despicable and some pushback on the facts of the ad, she offered this statement in Romney's defense: "To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney's health care plan, they would have had health care."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/08/andrea-saul-romney-health-care_n_1757550.html

do you get how big of a fuck up this is for the Romney campaign Farmer?

A Steel Mill that Romney bought and shut down, forcing many to loss their healthcare, Joe Soptic was one of those people and his wife became sick and died.
“When Mitt Romney and Bain closed the plant, I lost my health care and my family lost their health care. And a short time after that my wife became ill.”

To counter this attack add Mitt Romneys spokesperson comes out and says

"To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney's health care plan, they would have had health care."

OOPS

Birdofthad wrote:

But on Fox News this morning, Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul went "off-script," and amid a larger declaration about the ad being despicable and some pushback on the facts of the ad, she offered this statement in Romney's defense: "To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney's health care plan, they would have had health care."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/08/andrea-saul-romney-health-care_n_1757550.html

1) How despicable is that add? Romney killed my wife... WTF!

2) Once again Mittens is Obama light when it comes to healthcare.

Farmer1906 wrote:

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Definiely damage control. Romney will be far less conservative should he get in the white house, but Obama is too far gone. Trying to think of a new term for socialism because his ideas won't be accepted under their original name and dividing this country more than its been in recent memory. Romney has actually proven to be able to work with republicans and democrats in the past. Because yes, he's a panderer but Obama just blames all his failure on republican congress when most of his brutal failures came when he and the liberal dominated house and senate had a free for all spending and passing bullshit. Obama is as big of a flip flopper and panderer as Romney can dream to be. Atleast Obama came up for a nice term for flip flopping...Romney has simply "evolved" in some of his stances.

Can Romney turn this country around? i don't know..but i do know Obama will only drive this country further in the woods until we are completely out of gas. I'm tired of hearing what he came into...what has he done? 4 years is a long time for a trial period. He had 2 years to pass what he wanted and all it did was put us in deeper and show us that he was not interested in being the bi-partisan president he claimed he would be. I'm not worried who opened the wounds when somebody new is rubbing dirt in the wounds and opening them up wider instead of cleaning them out and stitching it.

Very nicely said. I only disagree with 2 points.
-Obama is not much of a flip flopper relatively speaking.
-Romney cannot turn this country around. No question about it in my mind.

I greened you because though we normally disagree on this stuff, I agree with your 2 points

Farmer1906 wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

But on Fox News this morning, Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul went "off-script," and amid a larger declaration about the ad being despicable and some pushback on the facts of the ad, she offered this statement in Romney's defense: "To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney's health care plan, they would have had health care."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/08/andrea-saul-romney-health-care_n_1757550.html

1) How despicable is that add? Romney killed my wife... WTF!

2) Once again Mittens is Obama light when it comes to healthcare.

didn't state he killed his wife, they pointed out that ROMney fired him and he lost his health care coverage, Mitts campaigns response was that hey, he should have had RomneyCare.

No buddy, the Republicans invented ObamaCare.

Farmer, do you understand Mitts 100 million dollar trust fund???

you can only put 20,000 in each year (highest he could have was 26,000 per year) In addition, there's a "lifetime gift-tax exclusion" for all the boys that totaled $1.2 million back in 1995 and has since grown to $10 million., Mitts been doing it for 15 years.
Add it all up, and the Romneys could have gifted $1.3 million in 1995, and a total of $10.6 million through 2011. All tax free.
Somehow Mitt claims the fund is now worth 100 million dollars.
To get to $100 million, the account would have needed a 26% average annual compound rate of return, said Jonathan Bergman, chief investment officer at Palisades Hudson Asset Management. Stocks over that same time have gained about 10%.

AND YOU WONDER WHY HE WONT RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS?
Something is up.

Birdofthad wrote:

Farmer, do you understand Mitts 100 million dollar trust fund???

you can only put 20,000 in each year (highest he could have was 26,000 per year) In addition, there's a "lifetime gift-tax exclusion" for all the boys that totaled $1.2 million back in 1995 and has since grown to $10 million., Mitts been doing it for 15 years.
Add it all up, and the Romneys could have gifted $1.3 million in 1995, and a total of $10.6 million through 2011. All tax free.
Somehow Mitt claims the fund is now worth 100 million dollars.
To get to $100 million, the account would have needed a 26% average annual compound rate of return, said Jonathan Bergman, chief investment officer at Palisades Hudson Asset Management. Stocks over that same time have gained about 10%.

AND YOU WONDER WHY HE WONT RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS?
Something is up.

I don't know what the law was previously but for years been 13k per year tax free. Maybe the 26k is from Mittens and mrs mittens.

There also is another exclusion that is going expire that is 5 million tax free that is separate from the 13 k per year. I don't know all the details of it though.

I'm sure mittens pays extremely smart people to invest that money. Then on top of that I'm sure being as big and powerful as he is hell get some inside info to make even more. Maybe the kids got apple when it was cheap.

Farmer1906 wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

Farmer, do you understand Mitts 100 million dollar trust fund???

you can only put 20,000 in each year (highest he could have was 26,000 per year) In addition, there's a "lifetime gift-tax exclusion" for all the boys that totaled $1.2 million back in 1995 and has since grown to $10 million., Mitts been doing it for 15 years.
Add it all up, and the Romneys could have gifted $1.3 million in 1995, and a total of $10.6 million through 2011. All tax free.
Somehow Mitt claims the fund is now worth 100 million dollars.
To get to $100 million, the account would have needed a 26% average annual compound rate of return, said Jonathan Bergman, chief investment officer at Palisades Hudson Asset Management. Stocks over that same time have gained about 10%.

AND YOU WONDER WHY HE WONT RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS?
Something is up.

I don't know what the law was previously but for years been 13k per year tax free. Maybe the 26k is from Mittens and mrs mittens.

There also is another exclusion that is going expire that is 5 million tax free that is separate from the 13 k per year. I don't know all the details of it though.

I'm sure mittens pays extremely smart people to invest that money. Then on top of that I'm sure being as big and powerful as he is hell get some inside info to make even more. Maybe the kids got apple when it was cheap.

or the more likely way you turn 450,000 into 100 million , is you lie about the value, which would be shown in his tax returns........

Thursday morning, in which the spokeswoman responded to a super PAC attack ad on Romney by pointing out that the steelworker in the ad, who lost his wife to cancer, would have had health insurance if he lived in Massachusetts under Romney's universal health care plan. Conservatives have since lambasted Saul for going off message in bringing up Romneycare, which Democrats often point out is remarkably similar to Obamacare.

Bird do you honestly think Obama is that much better candidate? Really?

yes I do and for one simple reason.

I will never vote for anyone attempting to revert back to the failed ideology of Reaganomics that caused our economic melt down.

Its simple, look at how our economy was under Clinton when they were forced to pay what everyone else paid. Look at what happened when the Mitt Romneys of the world paid 14% at best and we went on 2 uni-lateral wars. Meaning we flip the entire bill for the war.

Romney wants to revert back to Bushs policy but on steroids . Seriously, right now OU, middle and lower class families would pay 2,000 extra in taxes under Romney plan while Mitt would get an even bigger tax break.

Does that make any sense at all? Also, it is clear Romney will say whatever he thinks the room he is in wants to hear. He has changed his position on virtually everything.

Also, have you really looked at the mormon religion? Its fucking whacky, for all of the Obama is a secret anti american muslim bullshit, Mormonism is actually pretty fucking weird (polygamy, believe black people were the descendants of Kane, believe in slaves in the afterlife, etc etc.)

heres a perfect example, Mitt Romney said GM should have gone under, no banks were going to lend that kind of money at the time and Mitt knows this. GM would have ceased to exist and we would have lost 2 million jobs right there under ROmneys plan.

Obama bailed GM out and now it is the #1 seller of cars again.

you also need to look at the economic recovery (like it or not it has taken place since 2008) and look at what happened in 2010 when Republicans won in elections, they stopped every recovery package that they could and have basically done everything they could to hamper the country so that when this election came around they could point to Obama.

Seriously they even voted against healthcare for first responders at 9-11 and against giving tax breaks businesses who hire Veterans (Obama had to force this through because Republicans blocked his Jobs Act)

add in I like the idea that companies who create businesses and send the work to China or Japan (i.e. Apple) should not be getting tax breaks. You should get a tax break if you keep your business in country, not for shipping jobs out of it. That is a big part of what Obama is attempting to do and will do if he is reelected.
Romney is staunchly against this.

sorry for rambling a tad, but the main thing to me is, Obama says and does what he believes is right Romney will say one thing (like having a withdrawal timeline in Iraq is smart, healthcare mandate is good) and the back away from it when his party gets mad.