MMA Judges Are Biased Against Brazilians

according to Big Nog

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/2/22/2816141/big-nog-conspiracy-theory-american-mma-judges-biased-against-brazilians
PRIDE and UFC star, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, or 'Big Nog' has a conspiracy theory. He thinks there's a rivalry between American's and Brazilian's, and he implies that MMA Judges in the US are biased against the Brazilians.

He said as much when he talked to Globo TV. Here's a translation from Bloody Elbow's own Orcus:

"Americans have a rivalry with Brazilians, that is obvious. And why is that? It’s because the UFC has three hundred fighters under contract, and from those three hundred fighters we are fifty. The Brazilians are fifty, and we have more belts than they do."

"So from three hundred we are fifty, and with those fifty we get there and take care of business. They win (more) because they have more (people), they have a bigger infrastructure inside their gyms, they have support for the sport since they’re kids. But the sport is growing in Brazil and I believe that..."

"They look at us with (malicious) eyes, let’s say it like that. If you’re going to fight an American in the US you have to win the fight with emphasis because otherwise… You can’t win it by a thin margin."

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Nog's brother, Rogerio was even awarded one of those controversial decisions. I wonder if Jason Brilz has his own conspiracy theory on this.

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writer brings up this.

Not to mention Ronny Markes gets the split over Aaron Simpson just last week. At UFC143 the only three brazilians on the card all took those fights 30-27 on every judges scorecard. The only Brazilian to lose to an american by close decision of late was Shogun to Hendo. I think he's taken one too many blows to the head, Minotauro has.

Isn't this the same guy who won a decision over Captain America, in America, in front of american judges? Dude needs to shut up, when he doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.

Probably some truth to Brazilians getting less decisions and it likely has to do with wrestling. Americans wrestling gets on top or dictates where the fight goes and beat Brazilians.

I never thought I'd say this but Big Nog is full of shit!

Farmer1906 wrote:

Probably some truth to Brazilians getting less decisions and it likely has to do with wrestling. Americans wrestling gets on top or dictates where the fight goes and beat Brazilians.

Fair point, American wrestling seems to score points often times with the judges.

it only seems like there is a bias, but as Farmer has stated it's because of wrasslin'. the judges looks who controls the fight, and most of the time its the wrassler on top even tho he might not be scoring any damage

gigady

I would say the appearance of bias is only apparent because of the fact that americans outnumber brazilians in the US like 6 to 1. But Brazil gets it's share of the decisions.

I think judges understand what scores in American wrestling but not what scores in BJJ. It's definitely not a anti-brazilian thing..it's a "we don't know what the fuck we're watching" thing.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

I think judges understand what scores in American wrestling but not what scores in BJJ. It's definitely not a anti-brazilian thing..it's a "we don't know what the fuck we're watching" thing.

This could also be part of it, but I just don't see the basis in saying there is a bias against brazlians where decisions are concerned.

i don't think there was too much danger of brazillians losing close decisions in either of the rio events.

fair point about the wrestling, far too much credance is awarded for take downs for take downs sake.

Big Nog is completely off. In fact, if you look to fights around the world, the US is the most unbiased country in terms of fair decisions for foreign fighters. Seems like a pattern with all the excuses...Big Nog, Bigfoot, etc. They or a teammate lose, and its a bias conspiracy. Pretty lame. Also, if a Brazilian loses a decision to an American because he was outwrestled and neither guy did any significant work on their feet or on the ground, then its not a bias, its a good decision. Who should they give the decision to? The guy who was controlled and couldn't dictate where the fight took place, who also caused no damage? I don't think a takedown should score as high as say a knockdown, and in all fairness, it never does. However, some submission attempts are not real attempts and people want them scored as such. Also, Kings, I don't think its a matter of judges not knowing what they are seeing. Bjj scoring is how Couture had a draw with Jacare, how Kerr won the ADCC, how Monson won the ADCC, etc. Kerr and Monson were not exactly Roger Gracie style practitioners, and it was their wrestling, position and ability to avoid submissions that really won them the tournaments. Just because a bjj guy is active off his back doesnt mean he is scoring or advancing. However, I do believe a sweep should be worth as much as a takedown in judges eyes.

That made a bunch of sense JJ, I have awarded you a Rep point for thoughtfulness.

Lil Nog deserved both the Bader and Brilz decisions. Dont care dont care dont care. Watched them a billion times. That said, Brazilian fighters don't like wrestling heavy game plans at all. Remember how redneck just bleed those Brazilian crowds were? Also, when was the last time a Brazilian fighter lost and didn't reveal their terrible training camp excuse? They just kinda do this. I aint mad at Nog.

lil nogs loss to bader was ok. neither really did anything meaninfull the last 2 rounds to say one won. the only round wer someone had someone else in trouble was the first when bader was tryin to unload.imo rds 2 n 3 wer a draw n rd 1 was bader.for that bader won. with that said though davis won all 2 rounds against nog however in neither of those 2 rounds was nog in trouble or danger over sayin davis beat him, davis decisiond him.

now as for the brilz fight, well post fight nog said one of the reasons he didnt look so good was because he was expectin a stand up fight with forrest....however got outstruck by brilz, not only that brilz took the fight on short notice n edge nog in almost every aspect, here

http://www.compustrike.com/stats_files/ufc_114/Nogueira-Brilz.HTM?phpMyAdmin=CPN9nHWSxwY7gJYalHhJkELzboe&phpMyAdmin=8817c65e8e8eb22fe5b9e43182d17196

He beat the breaks off brilz in the end of that fight, everyone was just like "dur who the fuck is jason brilz"

I saw Brilz lose a waaaaay worse dec vs Fire Marshall at UFC 103.