Michael Bisping vs Mark Munoz (who wins?)

Who you got if they fight?

Munoz by domination. I read the LOL comments about how Munoz doesn't have great "mma wrestling" and how Bisping has good TDD? Which is bullshit. Neither statement is really true. Bispings wrestling is overrated and Munoz is far more productive then given credit for. Bisping has no shot at staying on his feet, but even there only 1 of them has the ability to finish the fight and it ain't ole Mike.

OU wrote:

Munoz by domination. I read the LOL comments about how Munoz doesn't have great "mma wrestling" and how Bisping has good TDD? Which is bullshit. Neither statement is really true. Bispings wrestling is overrated and Munoz is far more productive then given credit for. Bisping has no shot at staying on his feet, but even there only 1 of them has the ability to finish the fight and it ain't ole Mike.

+1 agreed

SOKO wrote:

OU wrote:

Munoz by domination. I read the LOL comments about how Munoz doesn't have great "mma wrestling" and how Bisping has good TDD? Which is bullshit. Neither statement is really true. Bispings wrestling is overrated and Munoz is far more productive then given credit for. Bisping has no shot at staying on his feet, but even there only 1 of them has the ability to finish the fight and it ain't ole Mike.

+1 agreed

+2

Im not a huge fan of Bisping by any stretch. But he gets so little credit for what has been a pretty decent career thus far.

Not sure who I'd pick here. These guys seem on pretty equal footing.

Why is this even a question ? Munoz laughs at Mike's pitty pats and clocks him out cold.

Ali wrote:

Why is this even a question ? Munoz laughs at Mike's pitty pats and clocks him out cold.

When did Munoz become Anderson Silva?

captain organic wrote:

Ali wrote:

Why is this even a question ? Munoz laughs at Mike's pitty pats and clocks him out cold.

When did Munoz become Anderson Silva?

Silva passed his magic to Munoz when they trained at Blackhouse.

captain organic wrote:

Ali wrote:

Why is this even a question ? Munoz laughs at Mike's pitty pats and clocks him out cold.

When did Munoz become Anderson Silva?

Do you have to be Anderson Silva to not be phased by Bisping's punches and have the ability to put him to sleep? I saw a Wandy right hand that just about did it.

OU wrote:

captain organic wrote:

Ali wrote:

Why is this even a question ? Munoz laughs at Mike's pitty pats and clocks him out cold.

When did Munoz become Anderson Silva?

Do you have to be Anderson Silva to not be phased by Bisping's punches and have the ability to put him to sleep? I saw a Wandy right hand that just about did it.

An old Wandy at that.

just about knocking someone out, after 3 full rnds, is not knocking someone out.

Bisping has 15 fights in the UFC. And has been KO'd one single time. By the same guy that KO'd Fedor.

So writing this off as Munoz KO's Bisping with ease, as if this is not even a legit question? C'mon.

captain organic wrote:

just about knocking someone out, after 3 full rnds, is not knocking someone out.

Bisping has 15 fights in the UFC. And has been KO'd one single time. By the same guy that KO'd Fedor.

So writing this off as Munoz KO's Bisping with ease, as if this is not even a legit question? C'mon.

About as close as you can get, the man went out. Now he came back to but he was out. Munoz absolutely posses the power needed to fold Bisping.

captain organic wrote:

Im not a huge fan of Bisping by any stretch. But he gets so little credit for what has been a pretty decent career thus far.

Not sure who I'd pick here. These guys seem on pretty equal footing.

They are. IMO, Munoz is incredibly overrated on this board while Bisping for obvious reasons is probably underrated

Munoz seems sloppy all around

OU wrote:

Munoz by domination. I read the LOL comments about how Munoz doesn't have great "mma wrestling" and how Bisping has good TDD? Which is bullshit. Neither statement is really true. Bispings wrestling is overrated and Munoz is far more productive then given credit for. Bisping has no shot at staying on his feet, but even there only 1 of them has the ability to finish the fight and it ain't ole Mike.

You do realize Mark Munoz has a takedown accuracy of 23% for his entire MMA career? How is it he's not being given enough credit for the productiveness shown?

Below are Munoz takedown attempts in his UFC Middleweight fights:

Leben- 5 of 9
Maia- 3 of 7
Simpson- 1 of 4
Okami- 1 of 15
Grove- 1 of 8
Jensen- 1 of 1
Catone- 2 of 12

14 of 56 = 25% success rate.

Conversely, Bisping being taken down in his last seven fights:

J Miller- 1 of 11
Rivera- 0 of 0
Akiyama- 0 of 1
D Miller- 1 of 4
Silva- 1 of 1
Kang- 0 of 1
Henderson- 0 of 0

3 of 18 = 16.6%

Not to mention Bisping defends 72% of the strikes thrown at him all time. We saw this fight before, guys. A fighter Mark couldn't take down who was a better technical striker. That guy was Yushin Okami, ya'll remember how that turned out?

That has to be one of the most misleading and pointless stats I have ever seen in MMA. You can say that Munoz has got every single person he has fought to the ground. Conversely Bisping has been taken down by everyone with even the slightest wrestling ability that has attempted a take down. We already established he hasn't been facing murders row of wrestlers.
The facts remain, Munoz can take Bisping down. Also look at the progression, Munoz seems to be putting things together better and his numbers are showing it. His takedowns have gone up in recent fights. He didn't have time to take CB down since he ended that fight before it started.

If you take out Miller's pathetic takedown attempts out of it then Bisping's percentage of being taken down actually jumps to 29%.

freakzilla wrote:

If you take out Miller's pathetic takedown attempts out of it then Bisping's percentage of being taken down actually jumps to 29%.

Also check out the wrestling experience of the guys Munoz has put on their back. If you can get Simpson and Catone to the ground, you expect Bisping to use his now legendary TDD to stop it? Also if you look at just Munoz last two fights he would be 8 for 16 for a 50% success rate.

Munoz has improved so much the past 2 years. Bisping is good and a top 10 fighter but Munoz is way better.

He is absolutely not way better than Michael Bisping. He was getting himself in terrible positions in scrambles against a gassed Chris Leben. The guy is a sloppy fighter, end of story

OU wrote:

That has to be one of the most misleading and pointless stats I have ever seen in MMA. You can say that Munoz has got every single person he has fought to the ground. Conversely Bisping has been taken down by everyone with even the slightest wrestling ability that has attempted a take down. We already established he hasn't been facing murders row of wrestlers.
The facts remain, Munoz can take Bisping down. Also look at the progression, Munoz seems to be putting things together better and his numbers are showing it. His takedowns have gone up in recent fights. He didn't have time to take CB down since he ended that fight before it started.

What progression? Chris Leben kept getting up. Maia hasn't had the best takedown defense because he doesn't give a shit about being on the bottom, he wants to go to the ground anyway.

Also the "his last two fights yield a 50% success rate" notion is laughable. He was fighting Chris Leben for god sakes. Leben has only ever defended about half the takedowns ever thrown at him. If Chris Leben as drained as he was could get up 4 or 5 times what do you think a consistently in shape Bisping is going to do, assuming Munoz can even get him down?

OU wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

If you take out Miller's pathetic takedown attempts out of it then Bisping's percentage of being taken down actually jumps to 29%.

Also check out the wrestling experience of the guys Munoz has put on their back. If you can get Simpson and Catone to the ground, you expect Bisping to use his now legendary TDD to stop it? Also if you look at just Munoz last two fights he would be 8 for 16 for a 50% success rate.

I didn't know Brad Tavares was an elite wrestler.

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

That has to be one of the most misleading and pointless stats I have ever seen in MMA. You can say that Munoz has got every single person he has fought to the ground. Conversely Bisping has been taken down by everyone with even the slightest wrestling ability that has attempted a take down. We already established he hasn't been facing murders row of wrestlers.
The facts remain, Munoz can take Bisping down. Also look at the progression, Munoz seems to be putting things together better and his numbers are showing it. His takedowns have gone up in recent fights. He didn't have time to take CB down since he ended that fight before it started.

What progression? Chris Leben kept getting up. Maia hasn't had the best takedown defense because he doesn't give a shit about being on the bottom, he wants to go to the ground anyway.

Also the "his last two fights yield a 50% success rate" notion is laughable. He was fighting Chris Leben for god sakes. Leben has only ever defended about half the takedowns ever thrown at him. If Chris Leben as drained as he was could get up 4 or 5 times what do you think a consistently in shape Bisping is going to do, assuming Munoz can even get him down?

About as laughable as the Bisping has 14 (T)KO victories. About as laughable as the TDD stat for Bisping. Just one look at the competition will put that to rest. Are you really suggesting Munoz can't get Bisping to the ground?

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

If you take out Miller's pathetic takedown attempts out of it then Bisping's percentage of being taken down actually jumps to 29%.

Also check out the wrestling experience of the guys Munoz has put on their back. If you can get Simpson and Catone to the ground, you expect Bisping to use his now legendary TDD to stop it? Also if you look at just Munoz last two fights he would be 8 for 16 for a 50% success rate.

I didn't know Brad Tavares was an elite wrestler.

What about Aaron Simpson and Catone? What are their wrestling credentials compared to the great Bisping?

Ludo is right. Munoz has had very questionable MMA wrestling performances in the UFC and Bisping has proved himself a very solid defensive wrestler. The stats bare that out but so does watching them fight.