The Historical Significance of Brock at #1

This will be a stand still, have a good one guys, gonna go workout or puff LOL

Ya LA. We've had this debate 2000 times.

LA wrote:

Sometimes people rank fighters based on the "who can beat who" approach, I do in part. I have little faith Fedor could beat Brock at this point, it's just the matchup, Brock would get him down on his first shot, like me on a 8th grader, put his chest on Fedor and do his thing.

AGREE! Wolf you are an idiot if you actually think Werdum is #1. He is around 8 at best. You and I both know Fedor would beat his ass in a rematch. Werdum would get beat by 4-6 guys in the UFC. He is not #1 based off the fact that he beat Fedor.

Ranking Werdum as #1 is not only pointless, but stupid. He got KTFO by the number 3 ranked HW in the UFC. Brock Lesnar is the De Facto #1 HW in the world right now. If Cain wins? Then he will be.

The guys article, though well detailed on one end, failed to include the understandable decline and questionable path of the former #1 Fedor. Fighting irregularly, fighting opponents who should not have been in the ring/cage with him, & fighting over ranked guys with known, exploitable weaknesses. Then getting beaten with a ring rust worthy, rookie mistake by a guy the UFC didn't think to much of and so released him, didn't help either. Fedor lowered his own bar, Strikeforce screwed up their own HW Division by getting a primarily K-1 fighter as HW Champion, coupled with a weak stable, and that is the organization he chose to sign with, it just looks bad. Yes the UFC has a top notch marketing machine. In fact they have a top notch everything and are very well organized, why in the world wouldn't they have the World's greatest HW? Everything that they do screams perfection and seeking pieces to enhance that perfection, so it is them vs. Scott Coker? Vadim? Bellator?

look guys may not be popular

but Fedor WAS THE MAN in the division

Werdum beat Fedor, he is the MAN, thats how it works

try and tell me honestly this board didnt have Fedor 1 on this board

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Ranking Werdum as #1 is not only pointless, but stupid. He got KTFO by the number 3 ranked HW in the UFC. Brock Lesnar is the De Facto #1 HW in the world right now. If Cain wins? Then he will be.

The guys article, though well detailed on one end, failed to include the understandable decline and questionable path of the former #1 Fedor. Fighting irregularly, fighting opponents who should not have been in the ring/cage with him, & fighting over ranked guys with known, exploitable weaknesses. Then getting beaten with a ring rust worthy, rookie mistake by a guy the UFC didn't think to much of and so released him, didn't help either. Fedor lowered his own bar, Strikeforce screwed up their own HW Division by getting a primarily K-1 fighter as HW Champion, coupled with a weak stable, and that is the organization he chose to sign with, it just looks bad. Yes the UFC has a top notch marketing machine. In fact they have a top notch everything and are very well organized, why in the world wouldn't they have the World's greatest HW? Everything that they do screams perfection and seeking pieces to enhance that perfection, so it is them vs. Scott Coker? Vadim? Bellator?

Should Junior loss to Ferreira keep him out of the rankings?

Mir's been KO'd by a bunch of dudes he's ranked ahead of.

Well I guess we can put Ian Freeman ahead of Frank, but I think he is retired. Vera is fighting at LHW now, Marcio Cruz I guess could be ranked up there...even though he was the first fight back for Mir after the accident, I guess we can put him over Mir.

As for Ferreira, the guy who just lost to Sokoudjou? Well rank him that way if you want, but you already know that is tarded.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Couture and Mir are garbage time wins at this point. Were they that much better when Brock beat them? No. A 45 year old man off a 16 month layoff and Frank Mir are not #1 HW wins. Brock is only ranked so highly because he is a larger than life figure like Tyson or something.

Randy Couture was the number 2 ranked heavyweight in the world at that time by everyone. Mir was top 10 and Carwin was top 5. Velasquez has only 1 top 10 victory and that was against Big Nog who was ranked no higher than 8th.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Couture and Mir are garbage time wins at this point. Were they that much better when Brock beat them? No. A 45 year old man off a 16 month layoff and Frank Mir are not #1 HW wins. Brock is only ranked so highly because he is a larger than life figure like Tyson or something.

Randy Couture was the number 2 ranked heavyweight in the world at that time by everyone. Mir was top 10 and Carwin was top 5. Velasquez has only 1 top 10 victory and that was against Big Nog who was ranked no higher than 8th.

Couture wasn't on Sherdog's rankings at all due to inactivity and was consensus 7th according to Bloody Elbow, and I am sure your Big Nog stats are wrong too, but I don't really feel like looking them up. I want to say he was 5th on Sherdog though.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/10/27/647399/bloody-elbow-october-mma-m

Well the fact they have Tim Sylvia ahead of Randy shows what a joke their rankings were. Everyone badly wanted to see Fedor-Couture at the time because they were the best 2 going around.

Bloody Elbow just averages the rankings around the internet. So did you pull those stats out of your ass or what?

Everyone knows Randy was the 2nd best heavyweight at that time so don't give me this bullshit and deny it.

I certainly didn't think he was the second best HW at the time.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Everyone knows Randy was the 2nd best heavyweight at that time so don't give me this bullshit and deny it.

Nog was clearly #2 at that time. Randy hadn't fought in a year.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Well the fact they have Tim Sylvia ahead of Randy shows what a joke their rankings were. Everyone badly wanted to see Fedor-Couture at the time because they were the best 2 going around.

It was more along the lines of Fedor had beaten everyone else of note.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I certainly didn't think he was the second best HW at the time.

Your rankings are the most idiotic. You have Werdum at number 2 even though JDS destroyed him.

puke!

captain organic wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Everyone knows Randy was the 2nd best heavyweight at that time so don't give me this bullshit and deny it.

Nog was clearly #2 at that time. Randy hadn't fought in a year.

It's a pretty major undertaking.

But it's worthy. I believe it gives credability to the board. I commend your efforts.

Heavies

1)Fedor
2)Brock
3)Barnett
4)Carwin
5)Cain
6)Randy
7)Mir
8)Nog
9)Overeem
10)Grim

Your own rankings from July 2009. Even after Brock had beat Randy you still had him in your top 6.

The loss to JDS was years ago, and JDS is the best striker at HW. Who knew that back then? JDS was an unknown nobody. Turns out he could easily be the champ in six months. That is UFC homerism to constantly bring up that loss. He is number 1 because he defeated the best fighter in history fair and square with technique. Not hard to grasp.

If JDS winds up champ, then we really have an interesting problem though.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

captain organic wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Everyone knows Randy was the 2nd best heavyweight at that time so don't give me this bullshit and deny it.

Nog was clearly #2 at that time. Randy hadn't fought in a year.

It's a pretty major undertaking.

But it's worthy. I believe it gives credability to the board. I commend your efforts.

Heavies

1)Fedor
2)Brock
3)Barnett
4)Carwin
5)Cain
6)Randy
7)Mir
8)Nog
9)Overeem
10)Grim

Your own rankings from July 2009. Even after Brock had beat Randy you still had him in your top 6.

pwned!

Wolfgangsta wrote:

The loss to JDS was years ago, and JDS is the best striker at HW. Who knew that back then? JDS was an unknown nobody. Turns out he could easily be the champ in six months. That is UFC homerism to constantly bring up that loss. He is number 1 because he defeated the best fighter in history fair and square with technique. Not hard to grasp.

If JDS winds up champ, then we really have an interesting problem though.

Brock beats Werdum down just like Mir and you know it Wolf. So would Cain and Carwin. JDS would beat him again imo.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

captain organic wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Everyone knows Randy was the 2nd best heavyweight at that time so don't give me this bullshit and deny it.

Nog was clearly #2 at that time. Randy hadn't fought in a year.

It's a pretty major undertaking.

But it's worthy. I believe it gives credability to the board. I commend your efforts.

Heavies

1)Fedor
2)Brock
3)Barnett
4)Carwin
5)Cain
6)Randy
7)Mir
8)Nog
9)Overeem
10)Grim

Your own rankings from July 2009. Even after Brock had beat Randy you still had him in your top 6.

What does this have to do with your assertion that Randy was the clear #2 in October 08?

At worse Randy was the 3rd best.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

At worse Randy was the 3rd best.

AA was def ranked higher at the time as well.

captain organic wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

At worse Randy was the 3rd best.

AA was def ranked higher at the time as well.

No he wasn't. Beating Werdum, Rothwell and Nelson after losing twice to Sylvia doesn't make you top 3.