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PostSubject: Re: bute vs pavlik   bute vs pavlik EmptyTue Oct 12, 2010 12:45 pm

Nice, good fight, but Bute's a huge favorite if this happens lol
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PostSubject: Re: bute vs pavlik   bute vs pavlik EmptyTue Oct 12, 2010 1:47 pm

This fight has been talked for a while and its good to hear its finally going to get done. Its a good match up and its as good as any S6 fight. The question will be can Bute hurt Pavlik? if he cant its going to be a long night. Hopefully Bute stays long enough at SM to face the S6 tourney champion.
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PostSubject: Re: bute vs pavlik   bute vs pavlik EmptyTue Oct 12, 2010 4:41 pm

I will be shocked if this fight comes off. It will mean that Arum is cashing out on Pavlik. I think Pavlik can still fight and even win at main event level against sluggers. He should not go anywhere slick speedsters. If he avoids the Dre's and Bute, he can feast on some winnable all out wars. Froch, AA, Miranda, Andrade, Bika, Green, or Ornelas would be fun. I don't know enough about Stieglitz but that could get a trinket. Sartison, Geale, Kessler, or Brinkley are more guys. If JT comes back, that's one of the morbid curiousity fights. I guess we will see how Kelly looks in November before more information comes out.
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PostSubject: Re: bute vs pavlik   bute vs pavlik EmptyTue Oct 12, 2010 4:55 pm

Hate to admit it, but Bute kills Pavlik.
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PostSubject: Re: bute vs pavlik   bute vs pavlik EmptyTue Oct 12, 2010 5:08 pm

What would happen first then, Pavlik vs Sturm or Bute?

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PostSubject: Re: bute vs pavlik   bute vs pavlik EmptyTue Oct 12, 2010 8:12 pm

Pavlik retires after this one. Too slow for Bute.
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PostSubject: Re: bute vs pavlik   bute vs pavlik EmptyTue Oct 12, 2010 8:39 pm

This fight should've been made ages ago.
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PostSubject: Re: bute vs pavlik   bute vs pavlik EmptyTue Oct 12, 2010 8:42 pm

Ali wrote:
This fight should've been made ages ago.

Was Bute a big enough name for Pavlik pre Hopkins? Pavlik in my opinion wanted to stay at Middleweight after looking sluggish and short on power at the higher weights he fought at.
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PostSubject: Re: bute vs pavlik   bute vs pavlik EmptyTue Oct 12, 2010 8:48 pm

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:
Ali wrote:
This fight should've been made ages ago.

Was Bute a big enough name for Pavlik pre Hopkins? Pavlik in my opinion wanted to stay at Middleweight after looking sluggish and short on power at the higher weights he fought at.

As soon as the Martinez fight was over Kelly should have moved up and accepted that offer to fight on the undercard.
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PostSubject: Re: bute vs pavlik   bute vs pavlik EmptyTue Oct 12, 2010 8:54 pm

Ali wrote:
hardcoreBEE24 wrote:
Ali wrote:
This fight should've been made ages ago.

Was Bute a big enough name for Pavlik pre Hopkins? Pavlik in my opinion wanted to stay at Middleweight after looking sluggish and short on power at the higher weights he fought at.

As soon as the Martinez fight was over Kelly should have moved up and accepted that offer to fight on the undercard.

Do you think Kelly wanted to field less challenging offers before committing to a Bute offer?If Bute lost to either Andrade in the rematch or Miranda I bet Pavlik would have been quicker to fight Bute.
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PostSubject: Re: bute vs pavlik   bute vs pavlik EmptyWed Oct 13, 2010 1:49 am

I think it's gonna take a mobile boxer to beat Bute.. or a significantly bigger pressure fighter with considerable pop. at this point Bute has really polished his craft against fighters like Pavlik, especially if they are his size or smaller.

Pavlik will have huge problems with anyone who won't stay in the same spot for 3 seconds.

I'd still like to see Sturm vs. Pavlik though. I've never thought much of Strurm, I think Pavlik can win if he is still healthy at 160.
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PostSubject: Re: bute vs pavlik   bute vs pavlik EmptyWed Oct 13, 2010 1:59 am

Groundhog_Day wrote:
I think it's gonna take a mobile boxer to beat Bute.. or a significantly bigger pressure fighter with considerable pop. at this point Bute has really polished his craft against fighters like Pavlik, especially if they are his size or smaller.

Pavlik will have huge problems with anyone who won't stay in the same spot for 3 seconds.

I'd still like to see Sturm vs. Pavlik though. I've never thought much of Strurm, I think Pavlik can win if he is still healthy at 160.

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PostSubject: Re: bute vs pavlik   bute vs pavlik EmptyWed Oct 13, 2010 10:49 am

That's a decent fight for Bute; he needed to step up the competition a bit. Still, he takes Pavlik apart, IMO.
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PostSubject: Re: bute vs pavlik   bute vs pavlik EmptyWed Oct 13, 2010 11:53 am

Groundhog_Day wrote:
I think it's gonna take a mobile boxer to beat Bute.. or a significantly bigger pressure fighter with considerable pop. at this point Bute has really polished his craft against fighters like Pavlik, especially if they are his size or smaller.

Pavlik will have huge problems with anyone who won't stay in the same spot for 3 seconds.

I'd still like to see Sturm vs. Pavlik though. I've never thought much of Strurm, I think Pavlik can win if he is still healthy at 160.

Yep, it would like the Martinez fight but much worse

Pavlik should target Sturm, Pirog, or Williams (even if he losses to Martinez)
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