JZ vs. Thompson:

Pretty nice fight going a bit under the radar, who you got and why?

im taking thompson cause im not convinced JZ's knee is 100% and ring rust might play a factor

No doubt on this being under the radar. This is a huge fight in the 155 div, yet has gotten little by way of talk. A JZ win prob gets him a title shot, Thomson is prob one more fight away.


I'm going Thomson. I think he is one of the most underrated fighters in the game. He does seem to have a weakness against wrestlers(though he does stay very active off his back), but that is not JZ's game(though he is the more compact and probably stronger fighter). But I like the thomsons length here, both in the stand up, and in grappling situations.

I'm going with Thompson for similar reasons, watched JZ fight Kawajari and he was controlling him on the ground, think Josh could do the same, watch out for the guillotine though. Wouldn't say he's underrated though, about where he belongs.


Hey Fireman Ed, you make your picks?

LA wrote:

I'm going with Thompson for similar reasons, watched JZ fight Kawajari and he was controlling him on the ground, think Josh could do the same, watch out for the guillotine though. Wouldn't say he's underrated though, about where he belongs.


Hey Fireman Ed, you make your picks?

One loss since Mid 2006, and that was a 5 rnd decision (after a year layoff) to Gil. Yet he's nowhere on most top 10's. dude's underated.

A win over Melendez in that time who is now overrated IMO, nothing else to special, I mean he lost to Guida back in 06, many other fighters have amassed better wins in that time span, think he lose to a bunch of guys I could think of, a win tonight over JZ would be pretty good though.

Pretty solid fight as it turned out, very close, JZ definetely will be in the mix for SF. Still think he's recovering from his injury a bit.

LA wrote:

Pretty solid fight as it turned out, very close, JZ definetely will be in the mix for SF. Still think he's recovering from his injury a bit.

figure one of these 2 get beerbohm next. If Evangilista wins his next, he needs to start fighting the higher level guys as well.

"Cavalcante was being aggressive but it wasn't effective aggressiveness which is what we as the judges look for when scoring a fight. The way I saw it, Josh [Thomson] was landing the more cleaner and damaging strikes throughout the round - if you take a look at the judging criteria clean strikes and sub attempts are valued more-so than the quantity of strikes landed. Although Cavalcante threw a lot of strikes and got mount they were not as damaging as Thomson's diverse attack from his back which is why I scored the round for Thomson. You have to keep in mind we always the favour the fighter who is trying to finish the fight, and positional dominance certainly doesn't do that."

the judge with the 30-27 scorecard. Thoughts?

I actually like her approach to judging BUT I just thought she got it wrong here for round 3. JT was not very effective at all in any position in the last round. I don't remember him landing any strikes of note...JZ definetly had lapses in the last round where he was stalling and not being effective but the fact was he was the only one who was effective at any point in the round. He landed the best shots standing and on the ground. He achieved the mount. JT improved his position but he never really threatened in round 3.

but like i said...i'm happy there are judges out there LOOKING at what the guy on the bottom is doing instead of just assuming the guy on top is winning or being more effective..however, in this case JZ was being more effective on top with a flash of effective GnP, achieving a mount, knocking JT down.

After rewatching the fight, I think JZ won, think he bounces back well though.

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/10/thomson-vs-cavalcante-fightmetric.html

Reports on JZ/Thomson and Diaz/Noons are out.

It agrees with me on the LW bout. The numbers on fight metric are wayyy different than Compustrike...i don't think Diaz ever landed a takedown. I think he got a knockdown and that was the only time the fight went to the ground i believe. Funny how Compustrike had Noons landing 310 punches and fight metric has him for like 120. Someone on another forum said Compustike probably counted each time Noons brushed back his hair.

Diaz was stuffed everytime, he rocked Noons in the first and it was like a half takedown, but more so a knockdown. You don't think Diaz won?

That's not it. I had Diaz 48-47.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/10/thomson-vs-cavalcante-fightmetric.html

Reports on JZ/Thomson and Diaz/Noons are out.

It agrees with me on the LW bout. The numbers on fight metric are wayyy different than Compustrike...i don't think Diaz ever landed a takedown. I think he got a knockdown and that was the only time the fight went to the ground i believe. Funny how Compustrike had Noons landing 310 punches and fight metric has him for like 120. Someone on another forum said Compustike probably counted each time Noons brushed back his hair.

He should have cut his hair before the fight. I thought Diaz would start timing every time he would wipe his hair back and start landing more strikes because of it.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

"Cavalcante was being aggressive but it wasn't effective aggressiveness which is what we as the judges look for when scoring a fight. The way I saw it, Josh [Thomson] was landing the more cleaner and damaging strikes throughout the round - if you take a look at the judging criteria clean strikes and sub attempts are valued more-so than the quantity of strikes landed. Although Cavalcante threw a lot of strikes and got mount they were not as damaging as Thomson's diverse attack from his back which is why I scored the round for Thomson. You have to keep in mind we always the favour the fighter who is trying to finish the fight, and positional dominance certainly doesn't do that."

the judge with the 30-27 scorecard. Thoughts?

I actually like her approach to judging BUT I just thought she got it wrong here for round 3. JT was not very effective at all in any position in the last round. I don't remember him landing any strikes of note...JZ definetly had lapses in the last round where he was stalling and not being effective but the fact was he was the only one who was effective at any point in the round. He landed the best shots standing and on the ground. He achieved the mount. JT improved his position but he never really threatened in round 3.

but like i said...i'm happy there are judges out there LOOKING at what the guy on the bottom is doing instead of just assuming the guy on top is winning or being more effective..however, in this case JZ was being more effective on top with a flash of effective GnP, achieving a mount, knocking JT down.

give her props on giving the active fighter pts despite being off his back. But I do question here call on Thomson landing the more effective strikes, didn't see him land much of anything really. Though conversely couldn't tell if JS was landing clean strikes in the 1st, or just bopping him with his noggin.

it was a close one but thompson lost that 2nd round hands down and to hear him call out the judge for a 30-27 score was fucking great cause the judging in strike force lately has been horrific.

sokolkevin wrote:

it was a close one but thompson lost that 2nd round hands down and to hear him call out the judge for a 30-27 score was fucking great cause the judging in strike force lately has been horrific.

Judging everywhere has been horrific.

Strikeforce gets the same lousy judges that everybody else gets.

I got a question, in your eyes, who should get the points? The guy who threatens with a sub like JZ did or does the guy who excapes get the points like Thomson? It's so hard to tell with the guillotine if Josh was really in danger, he could have had his chin blocking it the whole time.

The person in the attacking position is the controller and JZ controlled more of the round. I had it-

rd 1- 10-9 JZ or 10-10
rd 2- 10-9 Thomson
rd 3- 10-9 JZ

I agree. I'd have to watch the fight again to give you a score card but I did think JZ won a close fight at the time of watching it.

After watching this fight again last night I really don't see how JZ didn't get the W. I have to admit the first time I watched it I was routing for Thomson so I let myself think he won but seeing it again, it was close but yeah JZ won that fight imo.

The Guillotine is tricky because we don't know if it was really tight, what we do know is Thomson WOULD have finished the fight with the arm triangle had he been able to hold onto it for another 20-30 seconds. He had already passed into side control and was starting to turn the corner when the bell rang. That was after passing guard, and half guard into mount.

JZ should have gotten the win

JZ did more in the first to outweigh Josh's late action, if anything it should have been 10-10

Second Thompson

3rd JZ

That arm triangle didn't look tight to me. He looked "high" on it. BJJ guys seldom fall victim to wrestler strength chokes.