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PostSubject: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptyFri Oct 08, 2010 2:18 pm

Super middleweight contender Andre Dirrell has withdrawn from Showtime's Super Six World Boxing Classic due to neurological problems that could end his career, Leon Lawson Jr., Dirrell's uncle and trainer, told ESPN.com on Thursday.

Not only is Dirrell's career in jeopardy, but his medical issues are yet another blow to the fast-fading six-man tournament, which has been beset by numerous delays and has now seen half of the original field withdraw because of injuries: Dirrell, Mikkel Kessler and Jermain Taylor.

Dirrell had been scheduled to fight Andre Ward, his good friend and fellow 2004 U.S. Olympic medal winner, on Nov. 27 in Group Stage 3 of the tournament, with a semifinal berth at stake.

Showtime's Ken Hershman announced Dirrell's withdrawal during a teleconference with reporters Thursday, but declined to say what the nature of Dirrell's injury was, instead referring those questions to Dirrell's team.

However, Hershman did say that even with Dirrell out, the tournament would continue and that Ward instead would defend his 168-pound world title against an opponent to be determined on the date, probably in his hometown of Oakland, Calif.

Hershman said Ward's fight might not be a formal tournament bout, however. He said Showtime and the promoters hoped to have a resolution on Ward's opponent and if it would be a tournament fight on Friday. The agreements outlining the tournament rules allow for a fight to take place outside of the tournament.

"We're just making an internal calculation," Hershman said. "We're really trying to preserve the integrity of the tournament."

Ward promoter Dan Goossen did not return phone messages.

Because Ward already has earned enough points to advance to the semifinals, the outcome of his next bout does not affect his standing in the field, although he could lose his title.

"I want to be clear -- the Super Six will go on," Hershman said. "Obviously, we're disappointed by this development, but we still believe in the Super Six. Really, the circumstances we were confronted with were really unprecedented. As a boxing fan and somebody who really believes in the tournament structure, it can't be anything but disappointing."

Lawson said that Dirrell's symptoms of "headaches and dizziness" began shortly after his March fight against Arthur Abraham in Group Stage 2 of the modified round-robin tournament. In that fight, Dirrell was on his way to a lopsided decision when he slipped to the canvas in the 11th round and Abraham nailed him with a flush right hand to the temple while he was down. Dirrell, who never saw the punch coming, was knocked out and declared the winner on a disqualification because of the flagrant foul.

"Andre was saying he was having headaches and dizziness," Lawson said. "My father [Leon Lawson Sr.] and me asked him how long it was going on and he said periodically since after the fight. It was something we suspected. We saw slight changes in his normal being. It alarmed us. We're going to take it serious. He's not only a fighter, he's our family.

"We took him to a doctor and then a neurologist. When we took him to the neurologist, he was alarmed. He said Andre wasn't fit to fight right now. Before he would even consider letting him fight, he would need three months symptom-free. It would get to the point where Andre would have to sit down. He couldn't lay down because [the symptoms] would get worse."

Ward-Dirrell was originally scheduled for Sept. 25, but called off for reasons that were never announced, although a site had never been finalized, no tickets had ever been put on sale and no promotion had ever taken place. There had been rampant speculation that Ward and Dirrell, who are good friends, did not want to fight each other.

However, Lawson denied that was an issue.

"That delay was promoter issues and the site," Lawson said of the Sept. 25 postponement. "But it couldn't have happened then anyway because of [the medical situation]."

Lawson said he understood the speculation about Dirrell and Ward not wanting to fight.

"For people who say that this is fake or they just didn't want to fight, I understand," Lawson said. "They're just fight fans and want to see a good fight. But you got to understand these are human beings and things like this can happen. Anyone who doubts this at all, just turn on the TV and watch the last fight, and see how he was hit while he was down and defenseless. I was there. I seen it first hand. I was very worried. The cameras didn't show everything. There was some damage done."

Al Haymon, Dirrell's manager, declined to comment when reached by ESPN.com. Promoter Gary Shaw, who said he was informed of the withdrawal on Wednesday and was upset because Showtime did not notify him of Thursday's teleconference, wouldn't discuss the specifics of the injury.

"Andre is out of the tournament because we don't know when he will be available to fight or if he will be available at all," Shaw said. "I hope he's OK, that's the most important thing."

Lawson said he and his father had been concerned about Dirrell since the fight with Abraham.

"He just wasn't the same since that fight," Lawson said. "That's what it's from. It happened in the Abraham fight. The problems definitely came from that. It's not something someone else would notice, but we're family and we noticed things after the Abraham fight. This was something me and my father discussed. So when Andre came to us and told me, my father, his brother [pro fighter Anthony Dirrell] and his wife, it alarmed us because it was already something we were thinking."

Lawson said that Dirrell suffered a concussion against Abraham and that when he recently saw a neurologist, he underwent a battery of tests, including a CAT scan and MRI and MRA exams.

"And the neurologist determined he was unable to fight," Lawson said. "Andre wanted to fight and get back in the ring like any normal fighter. They want to fight. But what's most important is his safety. That's my whole thing. Even his attitude now, we had to tell him, 'Man, you better respect this game.' He just wants to fight, but we told him we got to respect the doctor's opinion. This is not nothing to play with. It's really not a game.

"Of course, Andre is disappointed with it. He just wants to fight. We sat down and told him this is something that has to happen. He has to take a break and maybe come back at a later date."

The first Group Stage 3 bout takes place Nov. 6 with Glen Johnson, who replaced Kessler on Sept. 29, facing Allan Green, who replaced Taylor after Group Stage 1.

Abraham and Carl Froch meet in another Group Stage 3 fight on Nov. 27 in Helsinki, Finland, on the same broadcast on which Ward will fight an opponent to be determined.

"The wind gets taken out of the sails for sure," Hershman said of upheaval. "I can't argue with that. I feel like that. I am sure the fans feel like that."

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PostSubject: Re: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptyFri Oct 08, 2010 6:16 pm

If I was showtimr id wanna see doctors reports. He'll be good to go in three to six months. Book it.
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PostSubject: Re: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptyFri Oct 08, 2010 6:35 pm

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If I was showtimr id wanna see doctors reports. He'll be good to go in three to six months. Book it.

Yeah I would too. But this still smells like a legit problem to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptyFri Oct 08, 2010 6:51 pm

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If I was showtimr id wanna see doctors reports. He'll be good to go in three to six months. Book it.

Yeah I would too. But this still smells like a legit problem to me.

The only neurological problem he has is that Al Haymon is in his head. They wanted to cancel the fight originally because they're friends. Then postponed the fight because of lack of venue, now this? This seems like the only way he could get out of the contracted fight he so desperately wanted to abandon. I work shifts and most guys that work 9-5 at my job and don't rotate have bogus doctors notes that say they can't. I see nothing different here. He has wanted out of the fight since the beginning . He got what he needed from the tournament which was a win over a name opponent and that's all he needs. Remeber Al Haymon is the guy behind Mayweather who Im sure Floyd is quoting when he says "Legacy don't pay bills".
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PostSubject: Re: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptyFri Oct 08, 2010 7:01 pm

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The only neurological problem he has is that Al Haymon is in his head. They wanted to cancel the fight originally because they're friends. Then postponed the fight because of lack of venue, now this? This seems like the only way he could get out of the contracted fight he so desperately wanted to abandon. I work shifts and most guys that work 9-5 at my job and don't rotate have bogus doctors notes that say they can't. I see nothing different here. He has wanted out of the fight since the beginning . He got what he needed from the tournament which was a win over a name opponent and that's all he needs. Remeber Al Haymon is the guy behind Mayweather who Im sure Floyd is quoting when he says "Legacy don't pay bills".

Let me finish that quote for you, "Legacy don't pay bills, HBO DO!"

On Haymon, I asked Kieran Mulvaney about him after reading about this BS

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It isn't just the networks. I've heard stories that Dan Goossen would practically piss his pants whenever Al came by. He's a powerful guy because he's an adviser to some of the biggest names. I wonder how much his influence will wane when Floyd finally implodes, but he's pretty sharp, so he'll be able to hitch his wagon to someone I'm sure. It's a little like King used to be: He attracted big name fighters because he got TV dates, and he got TV dates because he had big name fighters. Very different characters and they operate in different ways, but still. Even so, the reason for the extent of his influence is a tad mysterious.

Also, as far as I'm aware - and I certainly understand this to be the case with Williams and Dirrell - he doesn't tie his fighters in with any particular promoter. Those two guys are with Goossen on a handshake agreement as far as I know; they could walk at any time. So Goossen, realizing he has nobody else (except Arreola, who is also Haymon's guy) will do anything for them.

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Funny, I was thinking about this some more, and wound up thinking of James Prince. Man, when he was with Roy and Floyd and I forget who all else - Winky? can't remember - he was the shit. And where is he now? So much of it is being attached to the right guys and then having the foresight to move to the next guys. Plus I wonder sometimes if Al's total avoidance of the spotlight kinda adds to a fear factor, if you know what I mean.
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Dirrell just didn't want to fight his buddy Ward, and the feeling was mutual. That's all, end of story!!!

Boxing is just like any other sport. When you start to play, there is always a chance of playing and competing against your friends. I just wish these guys nowadays knew what it means to be a professional....
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PostSubject: Re: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptyFri Oct 08, 2010 7:26 pm

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Dirrell just didn't want to fight his buddy Ward, and the feeling was mutual. That's all, end of story!!!

Boxing is just like any other sport. When you start to play, there is always a chance of playing and competing against your friends. I just wish these guys nowadays knew what it means to be a professional....

From everything that was reported, Ward was willing to go, Dirrell on the other hand....
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From everything that was reported, Ward was ready to go, Dirrell on the other hand....

From the moment this fight was announced, they both expressed their displeasure in fighting each other. But it did seem like Ward was more willing(I'll use that word) than Dirrell when shiit started to hit the fan.

It just makes me mad that all us boxing fans want to see is good fights, but instead we get divas and saop operas...
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PostSubject: Re: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptyFri Oct 08, 2010 7:53 pm

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From the moment this fight was announced, they both expressed their displeasure in fighting each other. But it did seem like Ward was more willing(I'll use that word) than Dirrell when shiit started to hit the fan.

It just makes me mad that all us boxing fans want to see is good fights, but instead we get divas and saop operas...

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Then you read something like this
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/cwg/prison-time-ghanas-boxers-languish-jail-114
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PostSubject: Re: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptySat Oct 09, 2010 9:02 am

a drs report or two since second opinions in cases like this should be routine should be avalible to showtime as well as the boxing commisions..since big money was gaurenteed and tv time put aside and for legal matters you would think that this injury should be verifiable..its a shame if its legit...but untill such proof is offered which should be noo problem to do ill think the neurological damage to dittrel is one to be defined as a loss of nerve..
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PostSubject: Re: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptySat Oct 09, 2010 9:30 am

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The only neurological problem he has is that Al Haymon is in his head. They wanted to cancel the fight originally because they're friends. Then postponed the fight because of lack of venue, now this? This seems like the only way he could get out of the contracted fight he so desperately wanted to abandon. I work shifts and most guys that work 9-5 at my job and don't rotate have bogus doctors notes that say they can't. I see nothing different here. He has wanted out of the fight since the beginning . He got what he needed from the tournament which was a win over a name opponent and that's all he needs. Remeber Al Haymon is the guy behind Mayweather who Im sure Floyd is quoting when he says "Legacy don't pay bills".

Let me finish that quote for you, "Legacy don't pay bills, HBO DO!"

On Haymon, I asked Kieran Mulvaney about him after reading about this BS

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It isn't just the networks. I've heard stories that Dan Goossen would practically piss his pants whenever Al came by. He's a powerful guy because he's an adviser to some of the biggest names. I wonder how much his influence will wane when Floyd finally implodes, but he's pretty sharp, so he'll be able to hitch his wagon to someone I'm sure. It's a little like King used to be: He attracted big name fighters because he got TV dates, and he got TV dates because he had big name fighters. Very different characters and they operate in different ways, but still. Even so, the reason for the extent of his influence is a tad mysterious.

Also, as far as I'm aware - and I certainly understand this to be the case with Williams and Dirrell - he doesn't tie his fighters in with any particular promoter. Those two guys are with Goossen on a handshake agreement as far as I know; they could walk at any time. So Goossen, realizing he has nobody else (except Arreola, who is also Haymon's guy) will do anything for them.

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Funny, I was thinking about this some more, and wound up thinking of James Prince. Man, when he was with Roy and Floyd and I forget who all else - Winky? can't remember - he was the shit. And where is he now? So much of it is being attached to the right guys and then having the foresight to move to the next guys. Plus I wonder sometimes if Al's total avoidance of the spotlight kinda adds to a fear factor, if you know what I mean.

That's pathetic.
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PostSubject: Re: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptySat Oct 09, 2010 12:30 pm

I want to give him the benefit of the doubt because he's a human fuckin being first and foremost, but it just smells funny to me. I don't really want to feel that way, but I do.
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PostSubject: Re: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptySat Oct 09, 2010 1:36 pm

My take on Dirrell is he's basically a mother-fucking pussy who should have never taken up pro boxing, try tennis andre, and leave the sport of boxing to men who act like they've got a pair.
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PostSubject: Re: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptySat Oct 09, 2010 2:44 pm

[quote="dmar5143"]a drs report or two since second opinions in cases like this should be routine should be avalible to showtime as well as the boxing commisions..since big money was gaurenteed and tv time put aside and for legal matters you would think that this injury should be verifiable..its a shame if its legit...but untill such proof is offered which should be noo problem to do ill think the neurological damage to dittrel is one to be defined as a loss of nerve..[/quote]

THAT was funny!
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PostSubject: Re: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptySat Oct 09, 2010 3:05 pm

in 3 months time there will be a press report saying Dirrell has got the all clear and he can fight again because his vagina has stopped bleeding
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PostSubject: Re: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptySat Oct 09, 2010 3:41 pm

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hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

The only neurological problem he has is that Al Haymon is in his head. They wanted to cancel the fight originally because they're friends. Then postponed the fight because of lack of venue, now this? This seems like the only way he could get out of the contracted fight he so desperately wanted to abandon. I work shifts and most guys that work 9-5 at my job and don't rotate have bogus doctors notes that say they can't. I see nothing different here. He has wanted out of the fight since the beginning . He got what he needed from the tournament which was a win over a name opponent and that's all he needs. Remeber Al Haymon is the guy behind Mayweather who Im sure Floyd is quoting when he says "Legacy don't pay bills".

Let me finish that quote for you, "Legacy don't pay bills, HBO DO!"

On Haymon, I asked Kieran Mulvaney about him after reading about this BS

Quote :
It isn't just the networks. I've heard stories that Dan Goossen would practically piss his pants whenever Al came by. He's a powerful guy because he's an adviser to some of the biggest names. I wonder how much his influence will wane when Floyd finally implodes, but he's pretty sharp, so he'll be able to hitch his wagon to someone I'm sure. It's a little like King used to be: He attracted big name fighters because he got TV dates, and he got TV dates because he had big name fighters. Very different characters and they operate in different ways, but still. Even so, the reason for the extent of his influence is a tad mysterious.

Also, as far as I'm aware - and I certainly understand this to be the case with Williams and Dirrell - he doesn't tie his fighters in with any particular promoter. Those two guys are with Goossen on a handshake agreement as far as I know; they could walk at any time. So Goossen, realizing he has nobody else (except Arreola, who is also Haymon's guy) will do anything for them.

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Funny, I was thinking about this some more, and wound up thinking of James Prince. Man, when he was with Roy and Floyd and I forget who all else - Winky? can't remember - he was the shit. And where is he now? So much of it is being attached to the right guys and then having the foresight to move to the next guys. Plus I wonder sometimes if Al's total avoidance of the spotlight kinda adds to a fear factor, if you know what I mean.
Haymon is BMF for sure....he's the only thing that saved Floyd from J. Prince & his thugs. i wonder about his style of mgt. though. Too many of his fighters are inactive for too long.
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Anyone got a picture of Haymon ?
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PostSubject: Re: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptySat Oct 09, 2010 9:09 pm

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Anyone got a picture of Haymon ?
You can actually see him a lot when one of his more favored fighters fights. he's always in the ring before and after the fight. in fact he's there so often that a lot of fans recognize him but don't know who he is. his kids are usually with him too... wonder what it's like being his kid... front row seats and vip passes to many of the biggest fights.. unimaginable..
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PostSubject: Re: Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems   Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems EmptySat Oct 09, 2010 11:56 pm

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Ali wrote:
Anyone got a picture of Haymon ?
You can actually see him a lot when one of his more favored fighters fights. he's always in the ring before and after the fight. in fact he's there so often that a lot of fans recognize him but don't know who he is. his kids are usually with him too... wonder what it's like being his kid... front row seats and vip passes to many of the biggest fights.. unimaginable..

That's actually Sam Watson not Al Haymon. I've never seen Al Haymon.
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Is this him ? Details on Andre Dirrell's neurological problems 868749fd0a345ac91d362e5cd4db7d3d_custom_665xauto

He doesn't look so intimidating.
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in 3 months time there will be a press report saying Dirrell has got the all clear and he can fight again because his vagina has stopped bleeding


Good one dbudge, better yet, perhaps this fucking drama queen will announce that she's retiring from boxing.
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Groundhog_Day wrote:
Ali wrote:
Anyone got a picture of Haymon ?
You can actually see him a lot when one of his more favored fighters fights. he's always in the ring before and after the fight. in fact he's there so often that a lot of fans recognize him but don't know who he is. his kids are usually with him too... wonder what it's like being his kid... front row seats and vip passes to many of the biggest fights.. unimaginable..

That's actually Sam Watson not Al Haymon. I've never seen Al Haymon.

Are you serious?! I'm even more terrified of him now No
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