DAN RAFEAL AND HIS HOF VOTES

first i feel this guy is excellent on ivestigative reporting and is a strong insider on whats going on in boxing.his knowledge of todays fighters in all weight classes is excellent..he has some knowledge of the resent past 30 years but not absolute.beyound that the guy knows shit..forget his chat thing with his arragance the guys good as a reporter.
my beef with him and others voters is they will make the boxing hall of fame a worthless thing in the future..casamayer.please.mosley a lock first ballot..why....look the other day i read that dan said the amatuer background of a fighter weights heavy for him..why ..thats a joke..a 12 13 14 year old kids fights are to be considered..does baseball or football care what you did in little league pop warmer high school colledge or the minors..its what you did as a pro dan..ask russel the raiders guy just realeased or reggie bush opps i mean reggie bust..the fact marble brought out the hall will vote a minimum of 4 fighters a year in..why.if only one is worthy thats who gets in..cant theses soo called experts comb fighters from 1900-20 the 20s 30s 40s 50s ..there are several fighters far better then a casamayer in fact ill say about 1000 at least...several did more then mosley ever will..there left out.not even thought about..a injustice to worthy type fighters of the past and a injustice to the hall saying at least 4 fighters MUST be voted in every year..if thats the case clowns like dan rafeal and other writers need to learn boxing history and vote some of the guys from 1900-1960..not a casmayer or a guy who took peds or fought 12 times in 13 yerars like winky wright another dan r lock.

i agree. there shouldnt be a minimum that have to go in every year. there are too many fighters that were solid fighters (like casamayor) but werent anything special that are getting inducted. if every solid fighter got inducted then the HOF becomes a joke.

Rafael shouldn't be voting on the IBHOF.

There are really two seperate issues here. The first is IBHOF policy that says four guys from the post 1943 era MUST be unducted every year and second Dan Rafael's competency as a voter.

The second point is easier to deal with. Dan Rafael is no more competent to cast votes on potential inductees than he is to lead an advanced fitness course. I mean Joel Casamayor or Mr. Ronald Wright in while Pone Kingpetch, Betulio Gonzales, Santos Laciar, Masao Obha, Myung Woo Yuh, Hilario Zapata, Donald Curry (and I can go on and on) aren't in?

The mandatory induction idea I despise. But the IBHOF has to make money to stay in business and I suppose that induction weekend is absolutely critical to them. But how about making the mandatories only two and then anyone else who gets 75% of the vote in a given year?

Rafael is a good reporter, but thats his only positive thing. 80% of his chats are complete garbage talk. His articles arent very intresting and hes always late on breaking news. This dude has also said he will vote Gatti in the HOF when he gets the chance too. Fat boy also broke his promise about shaving his head and bread/mustache for Flomo-JMM cracking a Mil on PPV sales.

diego lol if he votes for gatti ill ko him with one shot.i can hit..ask basilio or dokes what i did with the heavy bag..gatti a loveable warrior but a high tier club fighter..the hall well then why not ward or chop chop..etc etc ill moider da bum .

Diego408 wrote:

Rafael is a good reporter, but thats his only positive thing. 80% of his chats are complete garbage talk. His articles arent very intresting and hes always late on breaking news. This dude has also said he will vote Gatti in the HOF when he gets the chance too. Fat boy also broke his promise about shaving his head and bread/mustache for Flomo-JMM cracking a Mil on PPV sales.

He is a shitty reporter. Most of the writers on the boxing websites(and print), like Ring, etc... have visited training camps, seen gym wars in places like California, etc....

He sits on his fat ass typing down what boxing promoters, managers, and fighters say. He has no idea what a training camp was like. He has no idea what real sparring is. He has no real knowledge about the sport. He has no real insight into fights.

He gets good(sometimes better than other sources) information because he is the writer for ESPN!!!! Not because he is any good!!!!!

His monday report: Rafael's scorecard, that recaps fights from the weekend is an absolute piece of shit. He reports on fights he hasn't seen!!!!! And he doesn't even cite where the write ups came from!!!!
On multiple occasions, I have noted him having write ups saying a decision was fine and then 5 days later (after he has finally seen the fight), he comments and calls a decision a sham!!!!!

He is dismissive of all but a few fighters in a division.


As for HOF voting, he doesn't have a damn clue.

captainanddew wrote:

Diego408 wrote:

Rafael is a good reporter, but thats his only positive thing. 80% of his chats are complete garbage talk. His articles arent very intresting and hes always late on breaking news. This dude has also said he will vote Gatti in the HOF when he gets the chance too. Fat boy also broke his promise about shaving his head and bread/mustache for Flomo-JMM cracking a Mil on PPV sales.

He is a shitty reporter. Most of the writers on the boxing websites(and print), like Ring, etc... have visited training camps, seen gym wars in places like California, etc....

He sits on his fat ass typing down what boxing promoters, managers, and fighters say. He has no idea what a training camp was like. He has no idea what real sparring is. He has no real knowledge about the sport. He has no real insight into fights.

He gets good(sometimes better than other sources) information because he is the writer for ESPN!!!! Not because he is any good!!!!!

His monday report: Rafael's scorecard, that recaps fights from the weekend is an absolute piece of shit. He reports on fights he hasn't seen!!!!! And he doesn't even cite where the write ups came from!!!!
On multiple occasions, I have noted him having write ups saying a decision was fine and then 5 days later (after he has finally seen the fight), he comments and calls a decision a sham!!!!!

He is dismissive of all but a few fighters in a division.


As for HOF voting, he doesn't have a damn clue.

I totally agree. Youre right about his sources, they are great and he wouldnt be geting him without him being employed by ESPN. ESPN is the only reason he has any relevance in this sport.

What has Winky Wright done to merit HOF induction????

Mosley at 135-very good. Mosley at 147-pretty good; Mosley at 154-rather ordinary

2 wins over Mosley at 154 doesn't say a ton to me

outboxing a big paycheck chasing, semi-retired, Tito Trinidad, doesn't say much to me

beating Ike Quartey well above his best weight and past his prime doesn't say much to me

did he beat a single good fighter in his prime who was fighting at their best weight (or close enough to it)???????

good points about dan and espn...

winky dont belong at all unless he pays admission to get into the place as a spectator.

I bet if you gave Winky a soapbox to stand on outside of the hall of fame, he'd talk for hours upon end about all the guys who ducked him and how he didn't get the respect he deserved. He always seemed more than a bit delusional.

marble in the 50s the little guys 112 118 sort of got a bad deal as far as exposure..today the 118 does not but dam raul raton macias and jose becerra you can place well ahead of casamayer winky and maybe even mosley..dan raf marble myself captain and others will volenteer to teach you about the fight game.

dmar5143 wrote:

marble in the 50s the little guys 112 118 sort of got a bad deal as far as exposure..today the 118 does not but dam raul raton macias and jose becerra you can place well ahead of casamayer winky and maybe even mosley..dan raf marble myself captain and others will volenteer to teach you about the fight game.

Yup. Part of that may have been that the title picture at bantam for almost the whole decade was sort of screwed up. There also weren't very many prominent Americans in either division in thos years. Billy Peacock at 118 is the only guy I can think of and at 112 Dado Marino and I'm outta American names.

Dmar and Marble, I agree with everything you wrote. The main problem here is that ESPN is a 3rd rate network. It's like glorified "Public Television." It's hard to see sometimes because other networks have lost quality as well. Compare the sports reporters of any network to "Fox Sports" with "Terry Bradshaw and Jimmy Johnson" and you'll see what I mean. Changing sports doesn't change the subject even though they have no concept of boxing history. They also have trouble putting on quality sports shows. The Sports Reporters is a good show. That's it. Compare John Madden calling "Monday Night Football" with that shit ESPN has on their show. They survive because of the investors they have. However, in the 70s, the more money people had, the worst they dressed. The more cash ESPN gets, the more they seem to humiliate themselves. My call.

On another note, we need to write a letter. Believe me, they'll read it. Maybe a few people here should be in charge of taking over espn's boxing coverage.

frank all good points..

ESPN began to Hollywood themselves when they started a one hour sportscenter. That was the beginning of the end for the network. They began to subjectively cover sports instead of objectively. Boxing fell by the wayside as it doesn't garner the revenue of football, baseball, and basketball. Does it surprise anyone that the boxing writer for an all sports network that barely covers boxing is third rate? It doesn't surprise me.