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KingsOwn19 Administrator
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| Subject: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:07 am | |
| http://www.tatame.com/2009/08/20/Paulo-Filho--Id-submit-MousasiBack to victories at Dream, submitting Melvin Manhoef in the first round, Paulo Filho is ready for Alex Shoenauer at Bitetti Combat 4, but already aims tougher challenges overseas. With Dream’s new partnership with Strikeforce, the black belt eyes Gegard Mousasi, who knocked Renato Babalu Sobral out to become the new light heavyweight champion. “I wanna fight Mousasi and show that with against me is a whole different thing… He doesn’t have my strength, he doesn’t have my level on the ground. He can be a better striker, but he doesn’t have my strength and he’ll go down once and be submitted”, guarantees Fiho, commenting Mousasi’s fight against Sobral. “HE’s well trained, but I don’t think he’s healthy enough to beat me… If he wins, I don’t even want my salary. But I guarantee he’ll be beaten more than he was against (Akihiro) Gono”, said the former WEC middleweight champion. In the exclusive interview, that you check tomorrow here at TATAME.com, the black belt remembered that he and Mousasi were in the same Pride tournament, but Mousasi was submitted got out when he was submitted by Gono, commented the training for Bitetti Combat, Dream’s partnership with Strikeforce and more Mousasi via TKO. | |
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Bigs03 Black Belt
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:17 am | |
| Filho is very good on the ground but he needs to keep his mouth shut after what Sonnen did to him. I'd pick Mousasi in this one for sure. | |
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Jruq Green Belt
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:51 am | |
| - Bigs03 wrote:
- Filho is very good on the ground but he needs to keep his mouth shut after what Sonnen did to him. I'd pick Mousasi in this one for sure.
So let me get this straight. He had a mental breakdown and still didn't get finished, for his only loss ever. Now for the rest of his career he should just shut the hell up and never call out fighters or try to hype a potential fight? Whatever
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:54 am | |
| he does need to get back on track before he runs his mouth about gegard. gegard would own him in the stand up. | |
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Jruq Green Belt
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:08 am | |
| - sokolkevin wrote:
- he does need to get back on track before he runs his mouth about gegard. gegard would own him in the stand up.
He submitted Manhoef recently, who is certainly as dangerous as Mousasi standing, but obviously not nearly as well rounded. I think if we put a poll as to who would win 95% would pick gregard of course. However, why does that mean Filho should never call a great fighter out? I consieder this part of the fight game and Filho is not some chump challenger, but a really dangerous fighter whose only loss is not legitimate in my mind. The guy should not have been fighting with the mental issues he had. That said, Filho would be moving up a weight-class if this fight ever took place. Outside of lil-nog, what other challenges does Gregard have outside the UFC (serious question, who else is there I'm drawing a blank.) | |
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:36 am | |
| I want to see it, sign it up and let's play this thing out in the cage! | |
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KingsOwn19 Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:57 am | |
| I agree. I want to see this fight as well. I don't know if Filho will do LHW and Mousasi probably won't go back to MW anytime soon but it's a fight id like to see.
I think Filho is the real deal. His 2nd fight against Sonnen was a joke and i only chalk it up to Filho having issues. He kills that guy 9 times out of 10, and the only reason he loses to Sonnen 1 time out of 10 is because he drank, did drugs or whatever his deal was before the fight and decides to not even bother. | |
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:19 am | |
| - KingsOwn19 wrote:
- I agree. I want to see this fight as well. I don't know if Filho will do LHW and Mousasi probably won't go back to MW anytime soon but it's a fight id like to see.
I think Filho is the real deal. His 2nd fight against Sonnen was a joke and i only chalk it up to Filho having issues. He kills that guy 9 times out of 10, and the only reason he loses to Sonnen 1 time out of 10 is because he drank, did drugs or whatever his deal was before the fight and decides to not even bother. They could do it at a catchweight like Diaz vs Shamrock/Smith or Shields/Lawler. | |
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Bigs03 Black Belt
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:29 pm | |
| - Jruq wrote:
- sokolkevin wrote:
- he does need to get back on track before he runs his mouth about gegard. gegard would own him in the stand up.
He submitted Manhoef recently, who is certainly as dangerous as Mousasi standing, but obviously not nearly as well rounded. I think if we put a poll as to who would win 95% would pick gregard of course. However, why does that mean Filho should never call a great fighter out? I consieder this part of the fight game and Filho is not some chump challenger, but a really dangerous fighter whose only loss is not legitimate in my mind. The guy should not have been fighting with the mental issues he had. That said, Filho would be moving up a weight-class if this fight ever took place. Outside of lil-nog, what other challenges does Gregard have outside the UFC (serious question, who else is there I'm drawing a blank.) Dude you're making way to many excuses for Filho. He came in overweight against Sonnen and got his ass handed to him twice. He submitted Sonnen one of those times but it was after getting his ass beat on first. I know Filho is a good fighter but if he doesn't get Mousasi to the ground he's going to get his ass kicked. He's running his mouth way to much about a fighter that has much more potential than him at this point. Babalu is arguably just as dangerous on the ground and look what happened to him. I don't mind fighters talking shit but after coming in overweight in a title fight you just need to shut the fuck up and fight. | |
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Jruq Green Belt
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:25 pm | |
| You make no sense Bigs - I guess you want every fighter to shut the hell up unless they are undefeated and could obviously beat another fighter? Talk about boring.
I never said Filho would win, but why shouldn't he hype up a potential fight - he's no scrub and I don't see many better challenges for Mousasi.
Also, the dude needed serious psychiatric help in his only loss. He should not have been fighting, but for whatever reason went and fought when he was in a different reality anyways.
Your point about Sonnen beating his ass before getting submitted is pretty irrelivent and frankly wrong - you don't get your ass handed to you when you win a fight. That's what happens to highlevel bjj guys who don't strike well sometimes. You want to discount half of Big Nogs wins and say he should never speak while you're at it?
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:26 pm | |
| If Jacare couldn't submit Gegard how is Paulo going to do it? Its not like Gegard has no ground game like Melvin. | |
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Jruq Green Belt
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:30 pm | |
| - Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:
- If Jacare couldn't submit Gegard how is Paulo going to do it? Its not like Gegard has no ground game like Melvin.
I don't think Paulo would win either. I just don't see a problem with calling out another fighter and hyping a potential bout. I think Filho would lose, but he also has a seriously strong chin. I'm guessing he lasts longer than Babalu and Jacare did, which would give the potential for a better match than those two first round victories. | |
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:38 pm | |
| - Jruq wrote:
- Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:
- If Jacare couldn't submit Gegard how is Paulo going to do it? Its not like Gegard has no ground game like Melvin.
I don't think Paulo would win either. I just don't see a problem with calling out another fighter and hyping a potential bout. I think Filho would lose, but he also has a seriously strong chin. I'm guessing he lasts longer than Babalu and Jacare did, which would give the potential for a better match than those two first round victories. In no way am I insinuating that Filho is some sort of a can. He is a good fighter, who was a great fighter until he got addicted to pain killers. He would make a good fight with Gegard at 185, but at 205 he would gas. He needs to get his head on straight and stay at 185 to become a serious threat again. | |
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:41 pm | |
| Ninja what would you think about a catch weight? Isn't this more interesting then most fights available for Mousasi right now? | |
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:50 pm | |
| - OUSOONERSOU wrote:
- Ninja what would you think about a catch weight? Isn't this more interesting then most fights available for Mousasi right now?
Catch weight would be alright I guess, but I rather have Gegard stay and keep fighting at 205 to get accumulated to the weight class . Filho is a good fight considering their is very few fights for Gegard outside the UFC. Other potential good fights for him are Arona, Jarred Hamman, Feijao, Jamal Patterson, Mike Whitehead, and Bobby Southworth(Yes, I am serious).
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:56 pm | |
| - Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:
- OUSOONERSOU wrote:
- Ninja what would you think about a catch weight? Isn't this more interesting then most fights available for Mousasi right now?
Catch weight would be alright I guess, but I rather have Gegard stay and keep fighting at 205 to get accumulated to the weight class .
Filho is a good fight considering their is very few fights for Gegard outside the UFC. Other potential good fights for him are Arona, Jarred Hamman, Feijao, Mike Whitehead, and Bobby Southworth(Yes, I am serious). I agree, what about Matt Lindland? Would he make your list? | |
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:00 pm | |
| - OUSOONERSOU wrote:
- Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:
- OUSOONERSOU wrote:
- Ninja what would you think about a catch weight? Isn't this more interesting then most fights available for Mousasi right now?
Catch weight would be alright I guess, but I rather have Gegard stay and keep fighting at 205 to get accumulated to the weight class .
Filho is a good fight considering their is very few fights for Gegard outside the UFC. Other potential good fights for him are Arona, Jarred Hamman, Feijao, Mike Whitehead, and Bobby Southworth(Yes, I am serious). I agree, what about Matt Lindland? Would he make your list? Yes, but I would rather have Matt Lindland fight at 185. Lindland should go after Sheilds and Lawler. | |
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Bigs03 Black Belt
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:19 pm | |
| - Jruq wrote:
- You make no sense Bigs - I guess you want every fighter to shut the hell up unless they are undefeated and could obviously beat another fighter? Talk about boring.
I never said Filho would win, but why shouldn't he hype up a potential fight - he's no scrub and I don't see many better challenges for Mousasi.
Also, the dude needed serious psychiatric help in his only loss. He should not have been fighting, but for whatever reason went and fought when he was in a different reality anyways.
Your point about Sonnen beating his ass before getting submitted is pretty irrelivent and frankly wrong - you don't get your ass handed to you when you win a fight. That's what happens to highlevel bjj guys who don't strike well sometimes. You want to discount half of Big Nogs wins and say he should never speak while you're at it? I know you're not equating Filho's career with Big Nog's... Besides, Nog doesn't run his mouth unless provoked. He's a true champion fighter not a guy that throws his career away like Filho did. Like I said before, I don't have a problem with guys talking shit. I just happen to think that Filho should get his career back on track before he opens his. If he loses this fight, which in all likelihood he will, then he's gonna look like even more of a douche than he did when Sonnen beat him down...TWICE. EDIT - I said if he loses this fight...I fully understand that this fight is not scheduled... | |
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:14 pm | |
| If Filho wants to run his mouth, then make the fight happen. We all know Gegard isn't dropping back to 185 and SF loves to make catchweight fights. But to be honest, I think that everyone that frequents this board thinks that Filho has about a 5% chance of submitting Gegard at any weight. You'd have to be borderline dillusional (Filho's state of mind over the last few years) to think that Filho is going to somehow get this fight to the ground and actually submit Gegard (No slouch on the ground) before Gegard finishes him standing or GnP's his ass on the ground... Another thing, I think Filho's high thinking he's stronger than Gegard. Just because Gegard isn't built like Manhoef doesn't mean he's not powerful. The only way I mind the chatter is if there's no way in hell this fight ever happens... | |
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Jruq Green Belt
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:35 pm | |
| [quote="Bigs03"] - Jruq wrote:
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I know you're not equating Filho's career with Big Nog's... Besides, Nog doesn't run his mouth unless provoked. He's a true champion fighter not a guy that throws his career away like Filho did.
Like I said before, I don't have a problem with guys talking shit. I just happen to think that Filho should get his career back on track before he opens his. If he loses this fight, which in all likelihood he will, then he's gonna look like even more of a douche than he did when Sonnen beat him down...TWICE.
EDIT - I said if he loses this fight...I fully understand that this fight is not scheduled... You do have a problem with guys talking shit and said that he should stfu and just fight. You even said the Nog was a True Champion and would never talk unless spoken to. Whatever. And Lol @ Filho looking like a douche when he beat Sonnen the first time. Sonnene was lucky the ref stopped that or he would have lost that arm for a while. | |
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Bigs03 Black Belt
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:40 pm | |
| [quote="Jruq"] - Bigs03 wrote:
- Jruq wrote:
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I know you're not equating Filho's career with Big Nog's... Besides, Nog doesn't run his mouth unless provoked. He's a true champion fighter not a guy that throws his career away like Filho did.
Like I said before, I don't have a problem with guys talking shit. I just happen to think that Filho should get his career back on track before he opens his. If he loses this fight, which in all likelihood he will, then he's gonna look like even more of a douche than he did when Sonnen beat him down...TWICE.
EDIT - I said if he loses this fight...I fully understand that this fight is not scheduled... You do have a problem with guys talking shit and said that he should stfu and just fight. You even said the Nog was a True Champion and would never talk unless spoken to. Whatever.
And Lol @ Filho looking like a douche when he beat Sonnen the first time. Sonnene was lucky the ref stopped that or he would have lost that arm for a while. Whatever man, if you watched the fight then you saw Filho getting his ass kicked the ENTIRE fight until he got the armbar. Filho gets credit for the win but he still got his ass beat. And no, I don't have a problem with guys talking trash but I equate this with a guy like Travis Lutter saying he could submit a top contendor at 185...sure he could... | |
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Jruq Green Belt
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:43 pm | |
| [quote="Bigs03"] - Jruq wrote:
- Bigs03 wrote:
- Jruq wrote:
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I know you're not equating Filho's career with Big Nog's... Besides, Nog doesn't run his mouth unless provoked. He's a true champion fighter not a guy that throws his career away like Filho did.
Like I said before, I don't have a problem with guys talking shit. I just happen to think that Filho should get his career back on track before he opens his. If he loses this fight, which in all likelihood he will, then he's gonna look like even more of a douche than he did when Sonnen beat him down...TWICE.
EDIT - I said if he loses this fight...I fully understand that this fight is not scheduled... You do have a problem with guys talking shit and said that he should stfu and just fight. You even said the Nog was a True Champion and would never talk unless spoken to. Whatever.
And Lol @ Filho looking like a douche when he beat Sonnen the first time. Sonnene was lucky the ref stopped that or he would have lost that arm for a while. Whatever man, if you watched the fight then you saw Filho getting his ass kicked the ENTIRE fight until he got the armbar. Filho gets credit for the win but he still got his ass beat.
And no, I don't have a problem with guys talking trash but I equate this with a guy like Travis Lutter saying he could submit a top contendor at 185...sure he could... Yah, you're right. His first win over Sonnen was really emberassing and he looked like douche - just like Big Nog did when he beat Silvia and Cro-Cop. What a bunch of douches - they can't submit someone without getting hit. | |
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Bigs03 Black Belt
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:46 pm | |
| [quote="Jruq"] - Bigs03 wrote:
- Jruq wrote:
- Bigs03 wrote:
- Jruq wrote:
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I know you're not equating Filho's career with Big Nog's... Besides, Nog doesn't run his mouth unless provoked. He's a true champion fighter not a guy that throws his career away like Filho did.
Like I said before, I don't have a problem with guys talking shit. I just happen to think that Filho should get his career back on track before he opens his. If he loses this fight, which in all likelihood he will, then he's gonna look like even more of a douche than he did when Sonnen beat him down...TWICE.
EDIT - I said if he loses this fight...I fully understand that this fight is not scheduled... You do have a problem with guys talking shit and said that he should stfu and just fight. You even said the Nog was a True Champion and would never talk unless spoken to. Whatever.
And Lol @ Filho looking like a douche when he beat Sonnen the first time. Sonnene was lucky the ref stopped that or he would have lost that arm for a while. Whatever man, if you watched the fight then you saw Filho getting his ass kicked the ENTIRE fight until he got the armbar. Filho gets credit for the win but he still got his ass beat.
And no, I don't have a problem with guys talking trash but I equate this with a guy like Travis Lutter saying he could submit a top contendor at 185...sure he could... Yah, you're right. His first win over Sonnen was really emberassing and he looked like douche - just like Big Nog did when he beat Silvia and Cro-Cop. What a bunch of douches - they can't submit someone without getting hit. Quit putting words in my mouth dude, I never said anything about Nog. His career is far and away more impressive than Filho's. Chael Sonnen is not Cro-Cop or even Tim Sylvia. Taking a beating from one of those guys is far more impressive than taking a beating from Chael freaking Sonnen. | |
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:47 pm | |
| Jesus you two... You're starting to sound like Wolfy and that moron LTFG, that insists on bantering with him... | |
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Bigs03 Black Belt
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| Subject: Re: Paulo Filho: "I'd submit Mousasi" Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:50 pm | |
| Oh, and for the record, I used to like Filho before he came in overweight and looked like complete shit twice in a row against Sonnen. I even used to argue that he would give Anderson Silva hell. Not anymore, though. Sonnen exposed his horrible weakness. He wouldn't be a contendor in the UFC. He's no Demian Maia. | |
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