WEIGH-IN ISSUE GAINING TRACTION?

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/2350/weighins_daybefore_vs_sameday/

Hey at least it is being discussed now.

BTW every time I read something Margaret Goodman says it reminds me of the old joke. What do you call the person who finishes last in medical school?

Doctor.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/2350/weighins_daybefore_vs_sameday/

Hey at least it is being discussed now.

BTW every time I read something Margaret Goodman says it reminds me of the old joke. What do you call the person who finishes last in medical school?

Doctor.

Souds to me like Pennsylvania has the right idea. I don't think the TV networks or promters will allow for it though. The thought of cancelling fights will stifle this great Idea.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/2350/weighins_daybefore_vs_sameday/

Hey at least it is being discussed now.

BTW every time I read something Margaret Goodman says it reminds me of the old joke. What do you call the person who finishes last in medical school?

Doctor.

Souds to me like Pennsylvania has the right idea. I don't think the TV networks or promters will allow for it though. The thought of cancelling fights will stifle this great Idea.

like i told before hardcore the last time i saw a weigh in the same day of the fight it was a kermit cintron bout right there in pennsylvania. they seem to have the right idea and maybe they could set the example.

RUM CAPITAL wrote:

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/2350/weighins_daybefore_vs_sameday/

Hey at least it is being discussed now.

BTW every time I read something Margaret Goodman says it reminds me of the old joke. What do you call the person who finishes last in medical school?

Doctor.

Souds to me like Pennsylvania has the right idea. I don't think the TV networks or promters will allow for it though. The thought of cancelling fights will stifle this great Idea.

like i told before hardcore the last time i saw a weigh in the same day of the fight it was a kermit cintron bout right there in pennsylvania. they seem to have the right idea and maybe they could set the example.

I don't care what they say about PR's from Massachussetts, you're alright Rum!

[quote="hardcoreBEE24"]

marbleheadmaui wrote:

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/2350/weighins_daybefore_vs_sameday/

Hey at least it is being discussed now.

BTW every time I read something Margaret Goodman says it reminds me of the old joke. What do you call the person who finishes last in medical school?

Doctor.

Souds to me like Pennsylvania has the right idea. I don't think the TV networks or promters will allow for it though. The thought of cancelling fights will stifle this great Idea.[/quote]

THAT is probably the real issue to be overcome.

Weighing in the day of the fight will never happen and it won't give fighters enough time to rehydrate, causing further brain injury. The UFC is a staunch opponent of this and they've successfully gotten the Mass. athletic commission to give them an exemption. This isn't gaining traction, it's an idea that is on it's way out.

A same day weigh in wouldn't be as bad as two weigh ins, which would be even less healthy.

Some of the responsibility has to be put on the fighters. There are many ways of dropping weight & re-hydrating. Some are smart, some not so smart. If a fighter maintains a weight close to his fighting weight class in between fights, it's much less taxing on the body. Fighters that balloon up have a tougher road to making weight. Also, after the weigh in, some fighters are disciplined enough to limit their intake gradually while some gorge themselves right after. I know fighters of both varieties and let me tell you..you can't fix 'em. They are who they are. Maybe someday they'll realize that "smart" wins.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Weighing in the day of the fight will never happen and it won't give fighters enough time to rehydrate, causing further brain injury. The UFC is a staunch opponent of this and they've successfully gotten the Mass. athletic commission to give them an exemption. This isn't gaining traction, it's an idea that is on it's way out.

A same day weigh in wouldn't be as bad as two weigh ins, which would be even less healthy.

There is ZERO evidence to support the above rubbish. 100 plus years of same day weigh ins and in 1987 it was changed and there have been the same amount of injuries sustained in the sport as there ever were. Do guys in UFC rehydrate three weight classes heavier?

No, MMA isn't overloaded with a bunch of stupid weight classes. The sport has seven true weight classes, soon to be 8. That's all you need.


And there is plenty of evidence to support what I say. I challenge you to use a simple google search. Not doing anyone's homework for them though. Sorry.

Fact is, this won't change the fact people cut weight. All it will do is mean they have less time to rehydrate. You'd have to be a moron not to understand how this is dangerous.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

No, MMA isn't overloaded with a bunch of stupid weight classes. The sport has seven true weight classes, soon to be 8. That's all you need.


And there is plenty of evidence to support what I say. I challenge you to use a simple google search. Not doing anyone's homework for them though. Sorry.

Do you think this is the first time we've talked about this? My homework is complete you're the one who's tardy to class.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Weighing in the day of the fight will never happen and it won't give fighters enough time to rehydrate, causing further brain injury. The UFC is a staunch opponent of this and they've successfully gotten the Mass. athletic commission to give them an exemption. This isn't gaining traction, it's an idea that is on it's way out.

A same day weigh in wouldn't be as bad as two weigh ins, which would be even less healthy.

Boxing did it that way for a century.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

No, MMA isn't overloaded with a bunch of stupid weight classes. The sport has seven true weight classes, soon to be 8. That's all you need.


And there is plenty of evidence to support what I say. I challenge you to use a simple google search. Not doing anyone's homework for them though. Sorry.

Nope, you're simply wrong. There is not ONE IOTA of evidence to support the position you espouse. Merely unsubstantiated opinion.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Fact is, this won't change the fact people cut weight. All it will do is mean they have less time to rehydrate. You'd have to be a moron not to understand how this is dangerous.

No, you'd have to be a moron to not understand that boxing did it this way for a century.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Fact is, this won't change the fact people cut weight. All it will do is mean they have less time to rehydrate. You'd have to be a moron not to understand how this is dangerous.

Read panthers post on weight cutting. College wrestlers weigh in the day of. And so do all non title fights in pennsylvania. You come into this forum and try and throw weight like you have knowledge when all you do is come off as an uneducated blowhard. No reason to call people morons that have a much better understanding of a sport than you do. A much better education on the history of a sport than you do. You should hang back and read what some of these guys write. I would never go to a UFC forum and talk smack. I would go and try and learn more.

flapanther2001 wrote:

Some of the responsibility has to be put on the fighters. There are many ways of dropping weight & re-hydrating. Some are smart, some not so smart. If a fighter maintains a weight close to his fighting weight class in between fights, it's much less taxing on the body. Fighters that balloon up have a tougher road to making weight. Also, after the weigh in, some fighters are disciplined enough to limit their intake gradually while some gorge themselves right after. I know fighters of both varieties and let me tell you..you can't fix 'em. They are who they are. Maybe someday they'll realize that "smart" wins.

Nice post.

This thread is a joke. College wrestlers don't punch eachother in the head and organs for 6 or 12 rounds, knock eachother out, yet give themselves a few seconds to shake off the initial concussion and continue to cause further brain injury. I can't in good faith let you fend off being called a moron and in the same breath make that absolutely moronic comparison. Not how it works around here friend.


More babble about the good old days and how going back to archaic practices will fix the sport from people with no idea how to make the sport good again. I feel for you, I really do.


Anyway this issue is a non-starter. This will never happen. Pounding away with half facts and anger at your keyboard won't change it. Good day.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

flapanther2001 wrote:

Some of the responsibility has to be put on the fighters. There are many ways of dropping weight & re-hydrating. Some are smart, some not so smart. If a fighter maintains a weight close to his fighting weight class in between fights, it's much less taxing on the body. Fighters that balloon up have a tougher road to making weight. Also, after the weigh in, some fighters are disciplined enough to limit their intake gradually while some gorge themselves right after. I know fighters of both varieties and let me tell you..you can't fix 'em. They are who they are. Maybe someday they'll realize that "smart" wins.

Nice post.

Thanks marble....I just noticed that the majority of the onus was being placed on the commissions & boxing in general. The fighters can avoid this problem if they choose to.

I would be willing to believe that generally speaking, boxing is dangerous enough to the brain with barbaric standing 8 counts and all that nonsense that a little extra fluid around the brain may not be enough to stop long term brain injury anyway.

If we compared the livers of alcoholics who drank 12 a day vs 10 a day maybe there might not be much difference if the overall effect is basically the same.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

This thread is a joke. College wrestlers don't punch eachother in the head and organs for 6 or 12 rounds, knock eachother out, yet give themselves a few seconds to shake off the initial concussion and continue to cause further brain injury. I can't in good faith let you fend off being called a moron and in the same breath make that absolutely moronic comparison. Not how it works around here friend.


More babble about the good old days and how going back to archaic practices will fix the sport from people with no idea how to make the sport good again. I feel for you, I really do.


Anyway this issue is a non-starter. This will never happen. Pounding away with half facts and anger at your keyboard won't change it. Good day.

As usual, the graceless retreat by the know-nothing.

This issue is a non starter, and I single handedly annihilated your moronic and when I say moronic I mean absolutely mind numbingly stupid to the point you wonder if this forum isn't a bunch of punch drunk former club fighters moronic comparison between college wrestling and boxing in one fell swoop. Hardly a retreat.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

This issue is a non starter, and I single handedly annihilated your moronic and when I say moronic I mean absolutely mind numbingly stupid to the point you wonder if this forum isn't a bunch of punch drunk former club fighters moronic comparison between college wrestling and boxing in one fell swoop. Hardly a retreat.

Like I said, you haven't stated a single fact in support of your claim. You're a know nothing.

What facts have been stated? A comparison of a sport with no punching or striking to boxing?

Is this what passes as facts here?

Here is some actual, you know, DATA!

According to the Journal of Combative sports there were 67 boxing deaths in the 1980's before day before weigh-ins were introduced. In the 1990's with day beforew weigh-ins were in place there were aactually MORE deaths at 78. In the first seven years of the 2000's (latest data) there were already 68 deaths.

http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_svinth_a_0700.htm

Wolfgangsta wrote:

This issue is a non starter, and I single handedly annihilated your moronic and when I say moronic I mean absolutely mind numbingly stupid to the point you wonder if this forum isn't a bunch of punch drunk former club fighters moronic comparison between college wrestling and boxing in one fell swoop. Hardly a retreat.

And you dumb dumb made the comparison to UFC. A league in which fighters fight tops for 25 minutes and don't endure the constant pounding to the head a boxer does over the course of a 36 minute fight. Now a fighter getting pounded by a guy 25 pounds heavier would do a lot more damage than a guy within five or even ten lbs right? I mean I think even you can comprehend that logic, no?