$2.5 million not enough for Bradley-Alexander???

WinstonSmith wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

HBO are actually trying hard to make this happen but these two greedy little bitches are holding out for coin instead of going for glory.

To think Marvin Hagler fought for his first title in 1979 for $30,000,while Leonard got over a million for fighting on the same card against Benitez.

Todays generation are not cut from the same cloth.

Ali_1748 wrote:

WinstonSmith wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

HBO are actually trying hard to make this happen but these two greedy little bitches are holding out for coin instead of going for glory.

To think Marvin Hagler fought for his first title in 1979 for $30,000,while Leonard got over a million for fighting on the same card against Benitez.

Todays generation are not cut from the same cloth.

I'm afraid you're right.Hagler was a man's man.

Ali_1748 wrote:

Bradley's really let the HBO limelight go to his gargantuan titanium dome.

How could he not? 750k to fight Abregu

That's on HBO

That's probably his TOTAL for his bouts on Showtime facing Peterson/Holt/Witter

gomez1012 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Bradley's really let the HBO limelight go to his gargantuan titanium dome.

How could he not? 750k to fight Abregu

That's on HBO

That's probably his TOTAL for his bouts on Showtime facing Peterson/Holt/Witter

Look I am not saying HBO shouldn't take any of the blame because they should, but I am baffled as to why these two young fighters aren't jumping at this fight. They're each getting roughly $1 mill and a date on HBO, and that's not even including the fact the winner will arguably be the top dog at Jr Welterweight. The winner might even be able to ask for a good split against Khan next year.

its BS..2 half seasoned punks who beat many nobodys..dont compare them to kahn..kahn has a homebase to draw 30000 plus fans and a huge ppv attraction in britian..dont sell paulie m short either..he can sell out the garden and any venew in jersey..these guys cant sell out there home town..2 punks.im tired ofg it..fight or retire and go to work at a garbabe truck thats what your qualified for.

dmar5143 wrote:

its BS..2 half seasoned punks who beat many nobodys..dont compare them to kahn..kahn has a homebase to draw 30000 plus fans and a huge ppv attraction in britian..dont sell paulie m short either..he can sell out the garden and any venew in jersey..these guys cant sell out there home town..2 punks.im tired ofg it..fight or retire and go to work at a garbabe truck thats what your qualified for.

Whoa! Paulie cant sel out shit. That fight with Khan wasn't even in the MSG Arena (where the knicks and rangers play and where Cotto fights) it was in the WAMU theater. That only holds like 4000.

Like Gomez has stated, when these fighters fought on Showtime u never heard about the money side of it. Now they've been spoiled by HBO and think they should be paid like mega stars.

Ali_1748 wrote:

Look I am not saying HBO shouldn't take any of the blame because they should, but I am baffled as to why these two young fighters aren't jumping at this fight. They're each getting roughly $1 mill and a date on HBO, and that's not even including the fact the winner will arguably be the top dog at Jr Welterweight. The winner might even be able to ask for a good split against Khan next year.

Simple, they feel they can take HBO to the cleaners for a fight like this

If not, they see HBO will still overpay for a fight involving much less risk

gomez1012 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Look I am not saying HBO shouldn't take any of the blame because they should, but I am baffled as to why these two young fighters aren't jumping at this fight. They're each getting roughly $1 mill and a date on HBO, and that's not even including the fact the winner will arguably be the top dog at Jr Welterweight. The winner might even be able to ask for a good split against Khan next year.

Simple, they feel they can take HBO to the cleaners for a fight like this

If not, they see HBO will still overpay for a fight involving much less risk

two wrongs don't make a right, they shouldn't get away with it just because HBO overpay for fights.

Ali_1748 wrote:

two wrongs don't make a right, they shouldn't get away with it just because HBO overpay for fights.

That's HBO, they control the purses/licensing fees, they make those decisions

If they dont pay, who else is going to put 2.5 mil for a fight like this??? The promoters or Showtime wont, so why is Greenburg and company paying out so much?????

gomez1012 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

two wrongs don't make a right, they shouldn't get away with it just because HBO overpay for fights.

That's HBO, they control the purses/licensing fees, they make those decisions

If they dont pay, who else is going to put 2.5 mil for a fight like this??? The promoters or Showtime wont, so why is Greenburg and company paying out so much?????

EXACTLY!

We're at a continual boxing auction:

Berto vs Quintana- Showtime- 250,000, HBO-300,000, Showtime-350,000, HBO-we want the fight, 500,000, Showtime-too much for us; HBO- 700,000, Showtime-are you guys morons no one else is bidding, HBO-a million!, oh wait, thats not enough, how about 1.2 million. SOLD to HBO for 1.2 million dollars
(disclaimer-simplified, with made up numbers, but can be applied to almost any Berto, PW, Angulo, etc..., fight that has been shown on HBO).

funny very sad and true captain.hbo has very intelligent suma cum whetever from moron university..

A couple of dumbasses in a sport where that's currently the norm rather than the exception...not surprising

captainanddew wrote:

We're at a continual boxing auction:

Berto vs Quintana- Showtime- 250,000, HBO-300,000, Showtime-350,000, HBO-we want the fight, 500,000, Showtime-too much for us; HBO- 700,000, Showtime-are you guys morons no one else is bidding, HBO-a million!, oh wait, thats not enough, how about 1.2 million. SOLD to HBO for 1.2 million dollars
(disclaimer-simplified, with made up numbers, but can be applied to almost any Berto, PW, Angulo, etc..., fight that has been shown on HBO).

There is FAR too much truth in that scenario.

lol, I know it is scary.

HBO's boxing brass isn't qualified to run a lemonade stand.

captainanddew wrote:

lol, I know it is scary.

HBO's boxing brass isn't qualified to run a lemonade stand.

The thing I ultimately disagree with some folks here about is who is finally to blame.

I STILL think it is the fighters.

I want them telling their representatives "Get the most you can, but MAKE THE DAMNED FIGHT!"

and "I can't be GREAT fighting twice a year. I'll go on FNF for short money or fight on other guys undercards for short money 2-3 times a year with tune-up quality foes."

What they don't get is it is GREATNESS that earns you the big $10 million PPV fights. You have to EARN that.

The goal for a guy like Bradley should be to make himself SO COMPELLING that Floyd or Manny come to him as a logical big money fight. NOT fighting cannot get you in that position.

I mean how does one make more money? Quibbling over $250k for ten fights or not quibbling, fighting more often and earning that big PPV fight which may lead to others?

marble true true true..im a fighter so lets fight..im fantastic and willing to prove it in the ring over and over..get me fights 4 at 100 thousand each is better then one at 250 thousand as a example..i feel im the best..how to i prove it..fight dam it..i got hbo showtime espn..its money..if im a real draw i got a gate..gee if i fight often i will be a better gate attraction..hbo n showtime will chases me sayiong this guy dont give a fuck he wants to fight..hes getting fans now..lets get part of that action...nope instead of countroling your destiny you follow idiots saying hold out for big bucks..yes fighters are a big blame not the only blame though.

everyone is to blame

HBO-for overpaying and for focusing on the names rather than guys in their prime matched tough
promoters-they'd rather their guy take 250k for one fight than 100k, 100k, and 50 k for 3 fights. They know if their guy loses, then he can't get back on tv (and since he can't draw a crowd as no one ever helped the guy build a hometown fanbase), and the fighter gets the 100k, a loss, and then hardly anything thereafter
fighters-who don't understand that if you keep working on your craft, fight often, and take on good (but varied) competition, then you can get to the big time (and be great if you have a special desire to beat everyone's ass)
Fans-we pay for crappy PPVs. We shit on every fighter that loses.

captainanddew wrote:

everyone is to blame

HBO-for overpaying and for focusing on the names rather than guys in their prime matched tough
promoters-they'd rather their guy take 250k for one fight than 100k, 100k, and 50 k for 3 fights. They know if their guy loses, then he can't get back on tv (and since he can't draw a crowd as no one ever helped the guy build a hometown fanbase), and the fighter gets the 100k, a loss, and then hardly anything thereafter
fighters-who don't understand that if you keep working on your craft, fight often, and take on good (but varied) competition, then you can get to the big time (and be great if you have a special desire to beat everyone's ass)
Fans-we pay for crappy PPVs. We shit on every fighter that loses.

Damn, that's WAY too well thought out to belong on a message board.

I blame the fighters.

http://twitter.com/stevemaxboxing/status/22560519149

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Told that if the camps of TBradley and DAlexander don't get moving, HBO might pull their offer off the table later this week.

Im dropping my offer if Im HBO lol

Usually I criticise HBO and their incompetent exec Greenburg but they've been trying very hard to make this fight happen, I would do the same in their shoes.

If I'm HBO I do like the old guy on Pawn Stars.

when he sets a price that he isn't going above and people don't believe he is serious (so they still ask for more), he starts lowering the price he offered.

cut it to one million and give them 2 days to say yes or no then fill that date with anybody..have some ethics just a little please.

captainanddew wrote:

everyone is to blame

HBO-for overpaying and for focusing on the names rather than guys in their prime matched tough
promoters-they'd rather their guy take 250k for one fight than 100k, 100k, and 50 k for 3 fights. They know if their guy loses, then he can't get back on tv (and since he can't draw a crowd as no one ever helped the guy build a hometown fanbase), and the fighter gets the 100k, a loss, and then hardly anything thereafter
fighters-who don't understand that if you keep working on your craft, fight often, and take on good (but varied) competition, then you can get to the big time (and be great if you have a special desire to beat everyone's ass)
Fans-we pay for crappy PPVs. We shit on every fighter that loses.

This is perfect. Perfect description of the blame. Captian is right on the money.