What Zuffa should do...

Merge the WEC into the UFC. The best way to do it is through TUF. Maybe have Urijah Faber vs. Miguel Torres as the coaches and the UFC would have the most exciting fights TUF has ever seen. This would also eliminate the nightmare scenarios of UFC cards being headlined by Coleman/Couture or Silva/Evans. You could literally have a title fight headline every card.

boomer sooner wrote:

Merge the WEC into the UFC. The best way to do it is through TUF. Maybe have Urijah Faber vs. Miguel Torres as the coaches and the UFC would have the most exciting fights TUF has ever seen. This would also eliminate the nightmare scenarios of UFC cards being headlined by Coleman/Couture or Silva/Evans. You could literally have a title fight headline every card.

Maybe every pay per view. Every card would require each belt defended at least 3 times a year including Featherweight and Bantamweight. UFC averages about 22 cards a year including Fight nights and UFC on Versus' at this point.

I don't think they should do it.

It would just give us less FW and BW bouts and we get the higest profile FW and BW bouts for free on VS. unless there is a name they think they can milk one last time before he gets destroyed(Faber).

I think UFC should absorb the LW's and leave WEC exclusive for FW, BW and lower weight classes and possibly women in the future.

There is also people getting something for free and then having to pay for it. That did not really work out great for Aldo-Faber which is the highest profile fight at the weight class as in the buyrate did not reflect how many people were really interested in that fight because people don't feel they should have to pay to watch Aldo or Faber because they have always watched them for free. Granted the buyrate it got was considered a success considering the purses involved but still..UFC marketing was behind it and it did a fraction what the average UFC PPV with a high profile fight with a huge name. Simply because people were used to watching all the talent involved for free.

I just don't see the point. I don't think it would strengthen the brand anymore than it is. It would just overcrowd the UFC when they already have enough divisions to worry about and i think if you pretty much have a title fight every month, then it would probably make title fights seem like less of a deal when they do main event a PPV...and UFC sells good with having a title main event half the time instead of all year.

Good points.

I would love to see a TUF coached by Miguel/Urijah. I think the ratings would actually be huge and it would be a way to boost those weight classes to the Spike crowd. I think it would be epic.

Plus I think the UFC can market any fight and make it sound reasonable.

boomer sooner wrote:

Good points.

I would love to see a TUF coached by Miguel/Urijah. I think the ratings would actually be huge and it would be a way to boost those weight classes to the Spike crowd. I think it would be epic.

Plus I think the UFC can market any fight and make it sound reasonable.

I don't want them to merge. I do want to see the LW division merge after Gray fights BJ for the title though. Give Ben an immediate title shot also after that fight. LW champion showdown. I think it is a great idea for tough also. Faber and Torres would be awesome for the coaches.

Adding a flyweight division while absorbing FW and BW would ensure nearly every PPV has a title fight and would leave enough divisions for VS to still get free title events.

TUF's value would increase as unknown and uncared about champs such as Dominick Cruz could get the chance to be introduced to UFC casuals who don't know/like/care about the WEC.

I was surprised to see Evans/Silva do so poorly, I think that was a good main event that just underperformed.

That's actually a good idea Boomer.

King'sown nailed it. Absorb the LWs and leave the FW and BW divisions intact and start creating a women's division.

Kings, I would have given you a rep point, but I can't.

That isn't sustainable. 11K to show and 11k to win while Lesnar and Silva are pocketing over a quarter million plus PPV? Don't expect the WEC fighters to stomach that forever.

Then go fight at SF. Or Bellator. 3K to show/3K to win. Take that. This is a business not a fucking social.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Then go fight at SF. Or Bellator. 3K to show/3K to win. Take that. This is a business not a fucking social.

Sarah Kaufman makes more than Dominick Cruz so that's an idea that actually has merit, even if you said it just to be a cocksucker. You honestly think paying one champion millions while another makes a few thousand is smart business? All it will do is damage the development of talent in lower weight classes.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Then go fight at SF. Or Bellator. 3K to show/3K to win. Take that. This is a business not a fucking social.

Sarah Kaufman makes more than Dominick Cruz so that's an idea that actually has merit, even if you said it just to be a cocksucker. You honestly think paying one champion millions while another makes a few thousand is smart business? All it will do is damage the development of talent in lower weight classes.

Most fans don't care about the Bantamweight and Featherweight divisions. That's why they don't make much money.

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Most fans don't care about the Bantamweight and Featherweight divisions. That's why they don't make much money.

That's because they're in the WEC and on VS. How would most fans know about them? Simple reasoning freak.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

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Most fans don't care about the Bantamweight and Featherweight divisions. That's why they don't make much money.

That's because they're in the WEC and on VS. How would most fans know about them? Simple reasoning freak.

Not really. Big always sells more.

Quick, what were the PPV buys for Pacman and Mayweather's last two fights each? What are HW PPVs doing? How much do they weigh again? Go.

That is a downright myth at this stage of the game. While HW will always have that attraction, fight fans, MMA fans, UFC fans all like good fights. WEC fights always deliver serious action. Always.

Did you see the gigantic bias the AlphaMale fighters had from the crowd the other night? They were in Vegas but the Cali fans made the trip to support their boys in force.

People like HW's, but they also like flying armbars and flashy spin kicks.

There is a reason Bellator has been doing FW tournaments since they started and they're just now getting around to boring us to death with a HW tournament.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Quick, what were the PPV buys for Pacman and Mayweather's last two fights each? What are HW PPVs doing? How much do they weigh again? Go.

That is a downright myth at this stage of the game. While HW will always have that attraction, fight fans, MMA fans, UFC fans all like good fights. WEC fights always deliver serious action. Always.

Did you see the gigantic bias the AlphaMale fighters had from the crowd the other night? They were in Vegas but the Cali fans made the trip to support their boys in force.

People like HW's, but they also like flying armbars and flashy spin kicks.

I'm talking about MMA not Boxing. Anyways the heavyweight division in boxing is crap and Pacman and Mayweather are the top 2 boxers in the world. No one in the WEC is anywhere near that good. Also, what are the PPV numbers for any title fight in boxing for 130 or lower pounds? In MMA Brock is the highest buy getter.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Quick, what were the PPV buys for Pacman and Mayweather's last two fights each? What are HW PPVs doing? How much do they weigh again? Go.

That is a downright myth at this stage of the game. While HW will always have that attraction, fight fans, MMA fans, UFC fans all like good fights. WEC fights always deliver serious action. Always.

Did you see the gigantic bias the AlphaMale fighters had from the crowd the other night? They were in Vegas but the Cali fans made the trip to support their boys in force.

People like HW's, but they also like flying armbars and flashy spin kicks.

Actually Wolf, in this instance, I would love to agree with you. However, when it comes to MMA we should average the PPV buys on Brock vs. BJ and we would see BJ losing. Of course if you wanted BJ to win, you could say Fedor vs. BJ.

Anyways, i'm off to bed. It's almost 7am and i'm still awake. Later guys.

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I'm talking about MMA not Boxing.

1. Um, that stereotype originated in boxing, not MMA, and applies to both sports evenly.

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Anyways the heavyweight division in boxing is crap and Pacman and Mayweather are the top 2 boxers in the world. No one in the WEC is anywhere near that good.

2. Jose Aldo already makes an incredible case with his absolutely world class(not misusing this term either) BJJ pedigree, stunning knockouts and iron clad takedown defense in the face of American wrestlers, and few move like Dominick Cruz in the entire sport. Before that, some felt Torres and Faber made legitimate P4P claims.

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Also, what are the PPV numbers for any title fight in boxing for 130 or lower pounds? In MMA Brock is the highest buy getter.

4. The WEC has no weight classes below 130 pounds and Brock Lesnar is a draw because he was a WWE superstar moreso than simply because he is huge.


5. What were Tim Sylvia's buyrates? How come AA, Couture ect didn't out draw everyone by a mile? Non Lesnar UFC PPV numbers for HW's are pedestrian and analogous to other divisions.

I cant believe there are people that don't want the merger.. It will make those PPVs that the UFC was going to make a PPV anyway that much more stacked .. as well as making the free ones just as stacked or possibly even more UFC free shows on VS and Spike.. I want the merge as well as a 125 division made .. and I can't stand hearing people say they dont like watching "little guys fight" ..

Sadly I do agree with have a bantam and feather TUF season ..

A merger would be fine by me also.

Golbez I can understand both sides of the coin. I have flipped back and forth on this wildly over the last year. If they merge them, the WEC and the action packed free events disappear forever. We'd have free spike and VS events but they would be Fight-Night quality.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

That isn't sustainable. 11K to show and 11k to win while Lesnar and Silva are pocketing over a quarter million plus PPV? Don't expect the WEC fighters to stomach that forever.

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Wolfgangsta wrote:

That isn't sustainable. 11K to show and 11k to win while Lesnar and Silva are pocketing over a quarter million plus PPV? Don't expect the WEC fighters to stomach that forever.

While i agree the WEC fighters should get paid more...they are in no place to point to what Lesnar and Silva are pocketing for PPV's that they headline and their names sell when they fail more often than not to pull in a million viewers on a channel that is available to almost 100 million. You get what you put in at this stage in MMA development. Not everybody makes good money, even Frank Mir made pretty bad money for main eventing the highest selling UFC PPV of all time...What is good for those guys is that they are never on a shortage of fights. Since WEC is exclusive to their weight classes, you see guys every couple months where as if they fought for UFC where there as 5 other weight classes with deep divisions to showcase, they'll get less work and will more than likely get put at undercard duty or cable shows where they won't make that much more than they make in WEC. FW and BW are still young weight classes to the masses. Nobody knew much or cared for BW until Torres started getting a little hype and nobody cared about FW until Faber. I think WEC being exclusive for them is a positive thing that helps grow the division and i think WEC fighter potentially thinking they would deserve a huge pay raise because they got absorbed on cards that fighters the masses actually care about are selling is another reason why Zuffa won't make the move.

I do agree that UFC cards, or any fight card could use one or two FW and BW fights to get the crowd going as they are almost always crowd pleasers.