Immortal Argument

RJJ had great athletic talent
RJJ wasn't a good technical fighter
RJJ faced alot of subpar competition
RJJ is far from top 3 all-time at LH. Not only if you were to rank the best careers, but also if you were to match different fighters in mythical matchups.

Floyd would get his butt handed to him against the best at 147. No need to rehash what Marble, Sooner and DMAr have pointed out.
At 130, Floyd would have a fighting chance against the best. Don't think I'd favor him over most of those guys, but I would like to have seen those fights.

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Birdofthad wrote:

sooners you didnt split the thread right

What? I just seperated it from the Immortal list. Nothing more

the immortal list aint there anymore

Birdofthad wrote:

the immortal list aint there anymore

Yes it is. Look closer.

captainanddew wrote:

RJJ had great athletic talent
RJJ wasn't a good technical fighter
RJJ faced alot of subpar competition
RJJ is far from top 3 all-time at LH. Not only if you were to rank the best careers, but also if you were to match different fighters in mythical matchups.

Floyd would get his butt handed to him against the best at 147. No need to rehash what Marble, Sooner and DMAr have pointed out.
At 130, Floyd would have a fighting chance against the best. Don't think I'd favor him over most of those guys, but I would like to have seen those fights.

A 22 year old Floyd and a 27 year old Alexis Arguello at 130 would have been an edge of your seat for every second of fifteen rounds kind of affair. Floyd wins almost every minute of the fight right up until Arguello lands a right hand, if he ever does. But if he does? Floyd's got problems.

thanks guys...floyd -alexis is a matchup that favors a young floyd for 12 rounds.in round 13 the very patient stylish argello does land the big punch and follows up with accurate finishing job..arguello has great timing patience and balance..floyd will zig when he should of zagged and arguello does not ever let a oportunity go astray..ahh yes bring back the 15 round fights..

It amazes me the energy wasted arguing things that can never be proven. Time travel isn't yet possible.

And really the conviction behind the arguments for fighters most of you have not seen is puzzling.

Canvas wrote:

It amazes me the energy wasted arguing things that can never be proven. Time travel isn't yet possible.

And really the conviction behind the arguments for fighters most of you have not seen is puzzling.

If we only had a hot tub.

whats so puzzling about it canvas..ive seen fight live 20 out of our 37 immortals.ive seen several good near great to great fighters to make a valid intelligent judgement on whos an Immortal whos a atg AND whos a great fighter and whos a near great one..again your confusing accomplishments in the ring as a who can beat who type of thing..folks can make a good arguement on that im sure but its realy about fighters who have established a greatness thats beyound others.a level that perhaps will be equaled by a few someday but not surpassed..its not about phoney straps fighting in 4 weight classes b y gaining a mear 10 lbs either..its about who steped up to the plate and was succesfull against the best time and time again..ive been watching fights live now 60 years and have seen the end of the first long golden age to the second coming of greatness in a brief time of the 80s...
ive never seen b abe ruth play either..my dad did several times.nor have i seen harry greb fight but a intelligent idea can be presented..take ruth for example.he was so far better than anyone else it was pathetic yet folks wish to place steroid poping hitters above him...keep in mind the babe has the highest opps average per year and career.the highest slugging aveage career wise and a huge 342 lifetime batting average..consider he did all his hitting litterly in 15 years..he was a pitcher for 6 years and one of the 3 or 4 best in his era..a 23 game winner twice a era leader once and the holder of the most concecutive scoreless innings pitched in the world series untill whitey ford broke it..he litterly is credited with saving baseball in 1920 when the black sox scandall broke out..forget the jerky films the guy could run..he stoled home 11 times won 92 games as a pitcher...once by himself he outhomered every team in the major leagues and twice by himself outhomered every team in the american league..today yankee statuims measurements average 75 feet smaller than the house that ruth built..todays ballparks are 45 feet smaller.add to that a much livelier ball waterdown pitching noo strike zone at all and the pitchers mound lowered by 6 inches to give hitters a greater advantage..and yes peds roids and yet his feats litterly go unmatched...read the book the year ruth hit 104 home runs..yes thats right.104..it was 1921 the babe hit 59 but reasearch via newspapers and accounts of the game counted 450 foot shots the babe hit that went for outs or a double a triple..if in todays parks all of them were home runs..thats the differnce in todays small parks..the number added up to 104 and the author stated mear 380 tro 400 feet shots are not mentioned in the papers..add maybe an other 25 there...also he was a good fielder with a great arm..noo one dared to take that extra base on him including cobb..ive never seen ruth play baseball..very few alive did..soo toss his name out because of that..please..every week we read fighters backing out of a fight or turning down title shots or wanting far more money then what there worth or i dont fight..haye valuez williams angulo berto are resent examples..or i want to fight once or twice a year.these are not immortals..there imposters...the forum did a excellent job in selectivity and righly soo..
now if we were talking baseball immortals heaven forbit if ruth walter johnson gehrig musial or ted williams be mentioned..why..most of you never saw them play..great valid argument huh...nope.

Canvas wrote:

It amazes me the energy wasted arguing things that can never be proven. Time travel isn't yet possible.

And really the conviction behind the arguments for fighters most of you have not seen is puzzling.

Why do you think , except for Greb, we haven't seen thses guys?