Immortal Argument

No RJJ or Bernard Hopkins?

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

No RJJ or Bernard Hopkins?

The idea here was the be incredibly exlusive. A super-duper HOF if you will. Mere greatness isn't enough.

Did Monzon really not make the list?

I still dont think Manny should be on the list yet. Not sure if u guys like the idea but I feel ur career should be over before ur case should be made.

timthebim wrote:

I still dont think Manny should be on the list yet. Not sure if u guys like the idea but I feel ur career should be over before ur case should be made.

Reasonable viewpoint.

Just an example but look at people like Evander Holyfield who may have had a shot 10 years ago but now since he has continued fighting he wouldnt have a shot at all. Say Manny goes out in his next 2 or 3 fights and gets KOed by Margo and then loses to some1 after that again, would he still be an immortal?

timthebim wrote:

Just an example but look at people like Evander Holyfield who may have had a shot 10 years ago but now since he has continued fighting he wouldnt have a shot at all. Say Manny goes out in his next 2 or 3 fights and gets KOed by Margo and then loses to some1 after that again, would he still be an immortal?

Very good point.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Did Monzon really not make the list?

Make a greatness of thread and put a poll on it. If he gets 75% or more we can add him Marble. Thats what we decided to do if anyone felt strongly for someone to get in.

timthebim wrote:

Just an example but look at people like Evander Holyfield who may have had a shot 10 years ago but now since he has continued fighting he wouldnt have a shot at all. Say Manny goes out in his next 2 or 3 fights and gets KOed by Margo and then loses to some1 after that again, would he still be an immortal?

See with Manny I think the answer is YES. I think his accomplishments an no longer be compromised.

I also don't think Evander's have been compromised either. I think it just takes time to put them in context. Most of the guys who made the list faded out at the end and had bad losses.

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Did Monzon really not make the list?

Make a greatness of thread and put a poll on it. If he gets 75% or more we can add him Marble. Thats what we decided to do if anyone felt strongly for someone to get in.

Just making sure it wasn't a mistake.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Did Monzon really not make the list?

Make a greatness of thread and put a poll on it. If he gets 75% or more we can add him Marble. Thats what we decided to do if anyone felt strongly for someone to get in.

Just making sure it wasn't a mistake.

It might be

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Did Monzon really not make the list?

Make a greatness of thread and put a poll on it. If he gets 75% or more we can add him Marble. Thats what we decided to do if anyone felt strongly for someone to get in.

Just making sure it wasn't a mistake.

It might be

I just checked. Monzon was marked "in" on the voting, so it is a mistake.

Oh well, we do make them

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Did Monzon really not make the list?

Make a greatness of thread and put a poll on it. If he gets 75% or more we can add him Marble. Thats what we decided to do if anyone felt strongly for someone to get in.

Just making sure it wasn't a mistake.

It might be

I just checked. Monzon was marked "in" on the voting, so it is a mistake.

Oh well, we do make them

I do quite often. I fixed it by the way.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

No RJJ or Bernard Hopkins?

The idea here was the be incredibly exlusive. A super-duper HOF if you will. Mere greatness isn't enough.

RJJ and Bernard Hopkins are greater than Manny and atleast half the people you listed. Old boxers are way overated and new age boxers are way underated. Lennox Lewis deserves to be on it also.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

No RJJ or Bernard Hopkins?

The idea here was the be incredibly exlusive. A super-duper HOF if you will. Mere greatness isn't enough.

RJJ and Bernard Hopkins are greater than Manny and atleast half the people you listed. Old boxers are way overated and new age boxers are way underated. Lennox Lewis deserves to be on it also.

LL? WTF? He ducked guys who were in their prime. He also was KO'd by two cans.

soonermark890 wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

No RJJ or Bernard Hopkins?

The idea here was the be incredibly exlusive. A super-duper HOF if you will. Mere greatness isn't enough.

RJJ and Bernard Hopkins are greater than Manny and atleast half the people you listed. Old boxers are way overated and new age boxers are way underated. Lennox Lewis deserves to be on it also.

LL? WTF? He ducked guys who were in their prime. He also was KO'd by two cans.

What happened in the return fights though? How do we know he ducked then? Did he ever say it himself he didn't want to fight them? He's easily a top 10 heavyweight ever.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

No RJJ or Bernard Hopkins?

The idea here was the be incredibly exlusive. A super-duper HOF if you will. Mere greatness isn't enough.

RJJ and Bernard Hopkins are greater than Manny and atleast half the people you listed. Old boxers are way overated and new age boxers are way underated. Lennox Lewis deserves to be on it also.

LL? WTF? He ducked guys who were in their prime. He also was KO'd by two cans.

What happened in the return fights though? How do we know he ducked then? Did he ever say it himself he didn't want to fight them? He's easily a top 10 heavyweight ever.

WOW Top 10 ever? So LL is greater than these guys.

Ali, Frazier, Louis, Johnson, Holmes, Foreman, Dempsey, Liston, Marciano, Jeffries, Walcott, Tunney, Langford

He would beat Marciano, Jeffries, Walcott, Tunney and Langford.

Just because someone was good 100 years ago when hardly anyone did boxing and from a handfull of countries doesn't make them great. People try to put the modern day athletes down all the time and build up the past for some unkown reason. Seriously, how many fighters from the past can beat FMJ at either 140 or 147? not many that's for sure.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

He would beat Marciano, Jeffries, Walcott, Tunney and Langford.

This isnt a one vs one argument. Its a who had greater careers. Besides Marciano would take LL's head off. LL had a glass jaw.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Just because someone was good 100 years ago when hardly anyone did boxing and from a handfull of countries doesn't make them great. People try to put the modern day athletes down all the time and build up the past for some unkown reason. Seriously, how many fighters from the past can beat FMJ at either 140 or 147? not many that's for sure.

Every great 147 would KO Floyd. This is odd I never argue against todays fighters. I will just let Marble or Dmar take this one.

soonermark890 wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Just because someone was good 100 years ago when hardly anyone did boxing and from a handfull of countries doesn't make them great. People try to put the modern day athletes down all the time and build up the past for some unkown reason. Seriously, how many fighters from the past can beat FMJ at either 140 or 147? not many that's for sure.

Every great 147 would KO Floyd. This is odd I never argue against todays fighters. I will just let Marble or Dmar take this one.

They wouldn't be able to touch him.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Just because someone was good 100 years ago when hardly anyone did boxing and from a handfull of countries doesn't make them great. People try to put the modern day athletes down all the time and build up the past for some unkown reason. Seriously, how many fighters from the past can beat FMJ at either 140 or 147? not many that's for sure.

Every great 147 would KO Floyd. This is odd I never argue against todays fighters. I will just let Marble or Dmar take this one.

They wouldn't be able to touch him.

Right guys like.

Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Bassillo, Sweet Pea (Pea would KILL Floyd), Henry Armstrong, and the greatest fighter of all time Sugar Ray Robinson would have no chance RIGHT?

soonermark890 wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Just because someone was good 100 years ago when hardly anyone did boxing and from a handfull of countries doesn't make them great. People try to put the modern day athletes down all the time and build up the past for some unkown reason. Seriously, how many fighters from the past can beat FMJ at either 140 or 147? not many that's for sure.

Every great 147 would KO Floyd. This is odd I never argue against todays fighters. I will just let Marble or Dmar take this one.

They wouldn't be able to touch him.

Right guys like.

Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Bassillo, Sweet Pea (Pea would KILL Floyd), Henry Armstrong, and the greatest fighter of all time Sugar Ray Robinson would have no chance RIGHT?

Beside Sugar Ray Robinson he would beat them all.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Just because someone was good 100 years ago when hardly anyone did boxing and from a handfull of countries doesn't make them great. People try to put the modern day athletes down all the time and build up the past for some unkown reason. Seriously, how many fighters from the past can beat FMJ at either 140 or 147? not many that's for sure.

Every great 147 would KO Floyd. This is odd I never argue against todays fighters. I will just let Marble or Dmar take this one.

They wouldn't be able to touch him.

Right guys like.

Roberto Duran, Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Bassillo, Sweet Pea (Pea would KILL Floyd), Henry Armstrong, and the greatest fighter of all time Sugar Ray Robinson would have no chance RIGHT?

Beside Sugar Ray Robinson he would beat them all.

LMFAO