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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyWed Sep 15, 2010 11:18 pm

I hate Man Utd so much. We meet this sunday.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyWed Sep 15, 2010 11:21 pm

I hate Pool more then any team, but they're irrelevant so no big thing anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyWed Sep 15, 2010 11:22 pm

Ouch
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyWed Sep 15, 2010 11:28 pm

I'm just playin, but I hate Pool
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyWed Sep 15, 2010 11:38 pm

You're semi right. We'll find out this sunday. We just need those bloody American owners to fuck off. They've killed us since they arrived.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyWed Sep 15, 2010 11:39 pm

American owners have done well in the Prem actually
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyWed Sep 15, 2010 11:42 pm

tolivendiewithLA wrote:
American owners have done well in the Prem actually

The Glazers, Hicks and Gillette have been bad for the premiership. Both Liverpool and Man Utd have now been riddled with debt and have been unable to compete with Chelsea and Man City in the transfer market.

Randy Lerner is doing a good job at Aston Villa, despite the big argument with Martin O'niel.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyWed Sep 15, 2010 11:46 pm

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American owners have done well in the Prem actually

The Glazers, Hicks and Gillette have been bad for the premiership. Both Liverpool and Man Utd have now been riddled with debt and have been unable to compete with Chelsea and Man City in the transfer market.

Randy Lerner is doing a good job at Aston Villa, despite the big argument with Martin O'niel.

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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyWed Sep 15, 2010 11:48 pm

Man City? talk about teams that win, how many times have Man U won under the Glazers? Chelsea have just been lucky their owner is ridiculously rich, but they haven't been incredibly successful under him, the Glazers have had more success.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyWed Sep 15, 2010 11:53 pm

tolivendiewithLA wrote:
Man City? talk about teams that win, how many times have Man U won under the Glazers? Chelsea have just been lucky their owner is ridiculously rich, but they haven't been incredibly successful under him, the Glazers have had more success.

Complete nonsense.

Manchester Utd have been successful because they've been managed for years by one of the greatest managers of all time in Sir Alex Ferguson, and their youth system is arguably one of the best in the world at the moment.

Chelsea might be rich but as you pointed out with City money doesn't always equal success. Before Chelsea was taken over by Abramovich they'd already had the likes of Terry and Lampard in their squad. It was Jose Murinho who guided them to success not just the money.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyWed Sep 15, 2010 11:55 pm

Man U had gone 3 years without a Title when the Glazers took over, I love how you give credit to Abram's but not the Glazers.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyWed Sep 15, 2010 11:59 pm

tolivendiewithLA wrote:
Man U had gone 3 years without a Title when the Glazers took over, I love how you give credit to Abram's but not the Glazers.

The Glazers did nothing to improve Man Utd. It was Fergurson because he sold Van Nistelroy and built the team around Ronaldo.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyThu Sep 16, 2010 12:03 am

tolivendiewithLA wrote:
Man U had gone 3 years without a Title when the Glazers took over, I love how you give credit to Abram's but not the Glazers.

So ? top class managers can go through dry spells in competitive leagues, Wengers hasn't won a trophy in years but it doesn't suddenly devalue his world class abilities as a manager.

The Glazers don't deserve any credit at all, Sir Alex and the majority of the team were at the club when they took over. Why should I credit the Glazer's for giving one of the biggest clubs in the world a debt over 500,000,000 ?

As a Man Utd fan I am surprised you're defending those incompetent owners.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyThu Sep 16, 2010 12:08 am

I'm not suprised you guys are dissing them, they've done well but they're Americans.......


All I know is that when the Glazers took over Man U won multiple League Titles and the Champions league, do they deserve all the credit, no, but they should get at least some.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyThu Sep 16, 2010 12:11 am

tolivendiewithLA wrote:
I'm not suprised you guys are dissing them, they've done well but they're Americans.......


All I know is that when the Glazers took over Man U won multiple League Titles and the Champions league, do they deserve all the credit, no, but they should get at least some.

You must be oblivious to the financial troubles and lack of transfer funds in America, it's common knowledge over here that the Glazer's have done nothing to bring the club forward.

Seriously LA go and educate yourself on all the debt the Glazer's have added to Man Utd, it's sad to see a huge club like Man Utd held back like this.

Why do you think the fans have been protesting the past couple seasons, wearing the green and yellow scarfs and threatening to boycott games.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyThu Sep 16, 2010 12:18 am

Know all about it, they bought Man U mostly with loans that turned into a shit storm over the years, thing is I'm just a fan of a team and likes to see them win, they have under their ownership. Like tickets sales prices increasing wasn't that a problem among the fans? Happens all the time over here, you have to buy a license just to buy tickets with the Cowboys, Giants and Jets.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyThu Sep 16, 2010 12:20 am

tolivendiewithLA wrote:
Know all about it, they bought Man U mostly with loans that turned into a shit storm over the years, thing is I'm just a fan of a team and likes to see them win, they have under their ownership. Like tickets sales prices increasing wasn't that a problem among the fans? Happens all the time over here, you have to buy a license just to buy tickets with the Cowboys, Giants and Jets.

The success is all down to Sir Alex, the youth team and their brilliant scouts.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyThu Sep 16, 2010 12:20 am

tolivendiewithLA wrote:
I'm not suprised you guys are dissing them, they've done well but they're Americans.......


All I know is that when the Glazers took over Man U won multiple League Titles and the Champions league, do they deserve all the credit, no, but they should get at least some.

I don't care what country anyone is from. If Liverpool were winning titles now I'd be kissing the American owners feet but instead they've made us mediocre and hugely in debt.

Man Utd already had all those players before the American owners came except Vidic. They had nothing to do with what happens on the field as that is always down to the manager and players. Ferguson is probably the best manager ever.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyThu Sep 16, 2010 12:23 am

Ali, I don't think he realizes that between 1993-2002 Man Utd won 7 of the 10 EPL titles and a Champions League all without the Glaziers.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyThu Sep 16, 2010 12:24 am

Liverpool was never winning shit anyways

Would you guys trade what occured under the Glazers ownership for what has happened with Arsenal and Pool over those years?
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyThu Sep 16, 2010 12:25 am

freakzilla316ftw wrote:
Ali, I don't think he realizes that between 1993-2002 Man Utd won 7 of the 10 EPL titles and a Champions League all without the Glaziers.

Fan since Cantona bro

But Man U wasn't winning anything for 3 years, then.....

The argument is that the team has had strong success on the pitch under that ownership
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyThu Sep 16, 2010 12:27 am

I am shocked by your stance LA, the Glazers have been nothing but trouble for Utd.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyThu Sep 16, 2010 12:27 am

tolivendiewithLA wrote:
freakzilla316ftw wrote:
Ali, I don't think he realizes that between 1993-2002 Man Utd won 7 of the 10 EPL titles and a Champions League all without the Glaziers.

Fan since Cantona bro

But Man U wasn't winning anything for 3 years, then.....

The argument is that the team has had strong success on the pitch under that ownership

Wow, because 3 years is such a looooooooooooooooooong time. Lol, you can't win every year.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyThu Sep 16, 2010 12:29 am

tolivendiewithLA wrote:
Liverpool was never winning shit anyways

Would you guys trade what occured under the Glazers ownership for what has happened with Arsenal and Pool over those years?

The reason we weren't winning anything is because of the dumb managers we've had. If we had either Ferguson or Mourinho we would have won a couple of titles by now.
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PostSubject: Re: Ultimate Soccer Discussion   Ultimate Soccer Discussion - Page 4 EmptyThu Sep 16, 2010 12:30 am

Financially, but I'm not a shareholder or buying tickets, I'm also going to defend the American owners because they were unwanted before they even purchased any teams.
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