What is the difference?

between Bones elbows against Matt and Silva's elbow's against Chael in the second round? I am not saying Silva's were illegal because it may be different when you are on the bottom vs the top like Bones was? Looked like 12 to 6 elbows to the top of Chaels head to me.


Anyone know for sure?

They are illegal from the bottom too technically and I've heard guys warned about it before but refs almost never ever call a fighter for it on the bottom because it's a rarity when for fighters to do much damage off their back.

IMO all the rules that apply to standing fighters shouldn't count if you're on your back. Silva's kick on Okami for instance was a thing of beauty, yet technically illegal.

The Unified rules actually don't say anything about 12 to 6 strikes or anything like that. It just says that downward pointing elbow strikes are illegal. So Anderson's strikes weren't illegal, because if you're looking at the direction they go while looking at the cage they're technically not downward.

chorky777 wrote:

The Unified rules actually don't say anything about 12 to 6 strikes or anything like that. It just says that downward pointing elbow strikes are illegal. So Anderson's strikes weren't illegal, because if you're looking at the direction they go while looking at the cage they're technically not downward.

lol

I would say they are still downward. He was using them to cut Chael imo. Maybe they aren't thought of as bad if they aren't in the face? I was wondering because he did it about 6 times and I never heard a warning given. I don't think you can put as much force behind them from the back anyways.

Anderson's would have been like, 6 to 12.

I thought the same thing during the Lutter fight, in fact during that fight Randy Couture said they looked illegal and Joe Rogan, DIDNT EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE RULE

but after examining it Randy said well I guess he arks them enough

same thing IMO, he starts them from a little ark outside, jsut a tad but its enough to were it isnt straight down

I heard the ref say "no 6 to 12 elbows" at one point.

Dude if that was the case Diego Sanchez would have been disqualified. He landed some nasty elbows on Guida's head that way and not a word was said.

The difference is the ref.

What i mean by that is some refs will DQ or dock somebody after one illegal elbow, some refs will yell warnings to the fighter if he throw one or two but not stop the action, and some refs just ignore them all together.

Most refs don't give a shit about elbows from the bottom. I bet many hate that rule.

Randy, Joe and Goldie didn't know the rule during that broadcast, and that isn't the only broadcast where the rules ambiguity has been called out by fighters and the team.

mannyfresh wrote:

I heard the ref say "no 6 to 12 elbows" at one point.

Yep, when Silva was on top and threw that elbow to the body but not from the bottom

your right wolf even Randy was kinda hazy on the rules but he said no 12 to 6, Rogan was like "what is the difference between an elbow?" Goldies silence told us all we needed to know

I think the rule sucks. I just wanted to know the difference. I watched the first 3 rounds this morning and thought they were illegal and wanted to know for sure. It is a fight and I side with Rogan on this.

By definition the guy on the bottom cannot really throw an elbow 12-6. The only way would be if the guy on top was down at his legs or belly and the bottom fighter sits up and delivers the elbows straight down. The 12-6 clock does not change position at all it's always ceiling to floor. It's really impossible for someone on their back to throw a 12-6 elbow to someone on top of them. The guy on the bottom is throwing a 6-12 elbow in realitywhich is not illegal.


From the ABC at their conference: The commission upheld the definition of downward elbows as only applying to strikes that move directly from ceiling to floor, or "12 to 6," and agreed that the blows would remain illegal.

Primetyme199 wrote:

By definition the guy on the bottom cannot really throw an elbow 12-6. The only way would be if the guy on top was down at his legs or belly and the bottom fighter sits up and delivers the elbows straight down. The 12-6 clock does not change position at all it's always ceiling to floor. It's really impossible for someone on their back to throw a 12-6 elbow to someone on top of them. The guy on the bottom is throwing a 6-12 elbow in realitywhich is not illegal.


From the ABC at their conference: The commission upheld the definition of downward elbows as only applying to strikes that move directly from ceiling to floor, or "12 to 6," and agreed that the blows would remain illegal.

Yep. Kinda what I was trying to say.