Of our current fighters who is HOF worthy?

immortals i like..its above and beyound the hall of fame..i like your suugestion sooner of maybe a brief bio or whatever or comments on a fighter and marble is a very good pick...a max of 40 to 50 fighters...90 percent is high 66 or 75 is fair percent wise..the poll as shown first im sorry voting before a intelligent disgussing anything is not a good idea i think.

dmar5143 wrote:

immortals i like..its above and beyound the hall of fame..i like your suugestion sooner of maybe a brief bio or whatever or comments on a fighter and marble is a very good pick...a max of 40 to 50 fighters...90 percent is high 66 or 75 is fair percent wise..the poll as shown first im sorry voting before a intelligent disgussing anything is not a good idea i think.

Ok I meant to have the poll if there is a debate. The poll would be to determine if he gets in after we did talk about it.

ok i see..yes an excpetion of course is fair..especialy lets say if a guy is close in votes but a hair short and there room left on our short list of 40 or 50.

dmar5143 wrote:

ok i see..yes an excpetion of course is fair..especialy lets say if a guy is close in votes but a hair short and there room left on our short list of 40 or 50.

Sounds good to me.

Where do we start?

I wonder how many "absolute no-brainers, why are we wasting our time talking about these guys OF COURSE they are immortals" we have.

Here is IBRO's top 20 p4p of all-time. These guys all look like immortals to me.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Muhammad Ali (Tie)
4. Joe Louis (Tie)
6. Sam Langford
7. Roberto Duran
8. Benny Leonard
9. Willie Pep
10. Bob Fitzsimmons
11. Joe Gans
12. Ezzard Charles (Tie)
12. Sugar Ray Leonard (Tie)
14. Jimmy Wilde
15. Eder Jofre
16. Mickey Walker
17. Archie Moore
18. Jack Dempsey
19. Jack Johnson
20. Gene Tunney

marbleheadmaui wrote:

I wonder how many "absolute no-brainers, why are we wasting our time talking about these guys OF COURSE they are immortals" we have.

Here is IBRO's top 20 p4p of all-time. These guys all look like immortals to me.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Muhammad Ali (Tie)
4. Joe Louis (Tie)
6. Sam Langford
7. Roberto Duran
8. Benny Leonard
9. Willie Pep
10. Bob Fitzsimmons
11. Joe Gans
12. Ezzard Charles (Tie)
12. Sugar Ray Leonard (Tie)
14. Jimmy Wilde
15. Eder Jofre
16. Mickey Walker
17. Archie Moore
18. Jack Dempsey
19. Jack Johnson
20. Gene Tunney

Well that answered my last post. LMAO

I say yes to all of them. Who else are no brainers?

Rocky Marciano
Ray Leonard
Sweet Pea

I would post a few more but my boy is crying right now.

how about from john l sullivan on up..or lets say we disgus decades.and then after disgussion each decade gets fighters nominated for a vote..thoses that get the required 2thirds a a example make the list of immortals..untill we complete 10 or 11 dcades..some decades may have zero..or we can go in 20 year incriminents.1900-1920 1920 1940..if 50 are not reached then we can either revist a few fighters or so..just a idea

The Ring Magazine did a top 80 from 1922-2002. Hewre's the top twenty of those

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Henry Armstrong
3.Muhammad Ali
4.Joe Louis
5.Roberto Duran
6.Willie Pep
7.Harry Greb
8.Benny Leonard
9.Sugar Ray Leonard
10.Pernell Whitaker
11.Carlos Monzon
12.Rocky Marciano
13.Ezzard Charles
14.Archie Moore
15.Sandy Saddler
16.Jack Dempsey
17.Marvin Hagler
18.Julio Cesar Chavez
19.Eder Jofre
20.Alexis Arguello

The guys who appear on only one of those lists are Sweet Pea, Carlos Monzon, Rocky Marciano, Sandy Saddler, Marvin Hagler, Alexis Arguello.

Are they all "no-brainer" immortals? If they are that's 26 already. But are those guys all "no-brainer" immortals?

dmar5143 wrote:

how about from john l sullivan on up..or lets say we disgus decades.and then after disgussion each decade gets fighters nominated for a vote..thoses that get the required 2thirds a a example make the list of immortals..untill we complete 10 or 11 dcades..some decades may have zero..or we can go in 20 year incriminents.1900-1920 1920 1940..if 50 are not reached then we can either revist a few fighters or so..just a idea

I say that 20 years would be easier. What if we reach 50 before we reach the 2000's?

its a start..i for one would not vote yes on bob fitzsimmions...a pionerr yes..a early fokelore legand yes..an immortal..nope..

dmar5143 wrote:

how about from john l sullivan on up..or lets say we disgus decades.and then after disgussion each decade gets fighters nominated for a vote..thoses that get the required 2thirds a a example make the list of immortals..untill we complete 10 or 11 dcades..some decades may have zero..or we can go in 20 year incriminents.1900-1920 1920 1940..if 50 are not reached then we can either revist a few fighters or so..just a idea

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Either that or by division. As a starting point we say no more than what? Three per decade or three per division? Just to make us REALLY choose?

marbleheadmaui wrote:

The Ring Magazine did a top 80 from 1922-2002. Hewre's the top twenty of those

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Henry Armstrong
3.Muhammad Ali
4.Joe Louis
5.Roberto Duran
6.Willie Pep
7.Harry Greb
8.Benny Leonard
9.Sugar Ray Leonard
10.Pernell Whitaker
11.Carlos Monzon
12.Rocky Marciano
13.Ezzard Charles
14.Archie Moore
15.Sandy Saddler
16.Jack Dempsey
17.Marvin Hagler
18.Julio Cesar Chavez
19.Eder Jofre
20.Alexis Arguello

The guys who appear on only one of those lists are Sweet Pea, Carlos Monzon, Rocky Marciano, Sandy Saddler, Marvin Hagler, Alexis Arguello.

Are they all "no-brainer" immortals? If they are that's 26 already. But are those guys all "no-brainer" immortals?

I think they are all easy no-brainers to me. I say yes to all of those guys. Do you want to do what Dmar suggested? Nominate by 20 year periods.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:

how about from john l sullivan on up..or lets say we disgus decades.and then after disgussion each decade gets fighters nominated for a vote..thoses that get the required 2thirds a a example make the list of immortals..untill we complete 10 or 11 dcades..some decades may have zero..or we can go in 20 year incriminents.1900-1920 1920 1940..if 50 are not reached then we can either revist a few fighters or so..just a idea

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Either that or by division. As a starting point we say no more than what? Three per decade or three per division? Just to make us REALLY choose?

I think 3 per division would be very very tough. Then were do you put the guys who jumped around a lot?

well if 50 is reached before 2000 then vote on 2001 to present if anyone makes the list there in.now its 53 55 or whatever.

dmar5143 wrote:

its a start..i for one would not vote yes on bob fitzsimmions...a pionerr yes..a early fokelore legand yes..an immortal..nope..

HOLY CRAP!

REALLY??????????????????

He beat non-pareil Dempsey, Pete Maher, Corbett, Tom Sharkey won three real belts and took Jeffries to the wall while giving up 60 pounds while in his mid thirties.

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:

how about from john l sullivan on up..or lets say we disgus decades.and then after disgussion each decade gets fighters nominated for a vote..thoses that get the required 2thirds a a example make the list of immortals..untill we complete 10 or 11 dcades..some decades may have zero..or we can go in 20 year incriminents.1900-1920 1920 1940..if 50 are not reached then we can either revist a few fighters or so..just a idea

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Either that or by division. As a starting point we say no more than what? Three per decade or three per division? Just to make us REALLY choose?

I think 3 per division would be very very tough. Then were do you put the guys who jumped around a lot?

In there best division. There aren't very many of those guys in reality.

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

The Ring Magazine did a top 80 from 1922-2002. Hewre's the top twenty of those

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Henry Armstrong
3.Muhammad Ali
4.Joe Louis
5.Roberto Duran
6.Willie Pep
7.Harry Greb
8.Benny Leonard
9.Sugar Ray Leonard
10.Pernell Whitaker
11.Carlos Monzon
12.Rocky Marciano
13.Ezzard Charles
14.Archie Moore
15.Sandy Saddler
16.Jack Dempsey
17.Marvin Hagler
18.Julio Cesar Chavez
19.Eder Jofre
20.Alexis Arguello

The guys who appear on only one of those lists are Sweet Pea, Carlos Monzon, Rocky Marciano, Sandy Saddler, Marvin Hagler, Alexis Arguello.

Are they all "no-brainer" immortals? If they are that's 26 already. But are those guys all "no-brainer" immortals?

I think they are all easy no-brainers to me. I say yes to all of those guys. Do you want to do what Dmar suggested? Nominate by 20 year periods.

Sorry, I'm still trying to pick myself off the floor over Dmars view of Ruby Robert. I need some oxygen...and a drink...and a copy of an olde Ring Magazine to get my bearings again

on fitz the first 30 fights he had many never had a fight before fitz it was there first and last fight..i forget but im close the first 10 guys he fought had no wins or 1 win combined..the first guy he fought that had a few wins koed him..thats also part of his record.

marble if your high on corbett im not..

FOUR of Fitz's eight defeats were when he was giving up over THIRTY pounds!







AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[falls twitching to floor, thrashes, drools, wets self]

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:

how about from john l sullivan on up..or lets say we disgus decades.and then after disgussion each decade gets fighters nominated for a vote..thoses that get the required 2thirds a a example make the list of immortals..untill we complete 10 or 11 dcades..some decades may have zero..or we can go in 20 year incriminents.1900-1920 1920 1940..if 50 are not reached then we can either revist a few fighters or so..just a idea

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Either that or by division. As a starting point we say no more than what? Three per decade or three per division? Just to make us REALLY choose?

I think 3 per division would be very very tough. Then were do you put the guys who jumped around a lot?

In there best division. There aren't very many of those guys in reality.

We can make an exception for those guys if you guys want to go that way.

dmar5143 wrote:

on fitz the first 30 fights he had many never had a fight before fitz it was there first and last fight..i forget but im close the first 10 guys he fought had no wins or 1 win combined..the first guy he fought that had a few wins koed him..thats also part of his record.

That simply isn't true.

dmar5143 wrote:

marble if your high on corbett im not..

Nope, not that high on Corbett. But he WAS the man at the time, right?

sorry im wrong..in fitz first 5 fights he won 4 and 1 nc..none of thoses fighters ever had a fight..nor fought again i believe..the 6th guy had a 5-1 record and koed fitz..in his first 30 fights about a dozen where against guys in there first fight..10 others had a combined win total of 3 or 4 wins combined..now that is the truth..