The Second Boxing P4P Rankings.

Now I wish we had the old thread because I remember battling to defend having both Klits on there. I will say I arbitrarily left off anyone below bantamweight because I'm not ready to like them (although I'm slowly gain more and more respect for the smaller weights).

Gumby wrote:

Now I wish we had the old thread because I remember battling to defend having both Klits on there. I will say I arbitrarily left off anyone below bantamweight because I'm not ready to like them (although I'm slowly gain more and more respect for the smaller weights).

I kept the old link. Is the link in the original message not working?

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Khan's 5'9 maybe 5'10.

Ok fair point but size aside I don't believe Wladimir is one of the ten best boxers in the world at the moment.

And all I am saying is it is unfair to say "size aside" unless you are going to also say "handspeed aside" about Manny or "Boxing IQ aside" about JMM.

Size, speed, power IQ are all boxing gifts.

Fair enough I agree.

However it still doesn't change my opinion about there being 10 better boxers out there than Wladimir.

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Khan's 5'9 maybe 5'10.

Ok fair point but size aside I don't believe Wladimir is one of the ten best boxers in the world at the moment.

And all I am saying is it is unfair to say "size aside" unless you are going to also say "handspeed aside" about Manny or "Boxing IQ aside" about JMM.

Size, speed, power IQ are all boxing gifts.

Fair enough I agree.

However it still doesn't change my opinion about there being 10 better boxers out there than Wladimir.

Can you find five who are more dominant?

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Khan's 5'9 maybe 5'10.

Ok fair point but size aside I don't believe Wladimir is one of the ten best boxers in the world at the moment.

And all I am saying is it is unfair to say "size aside" unless you are going to also say "handspeed aside" about Manny or "Boxing IQ aside" about JMM.

Size, speed, power IQ are all boxing gifts.

Fair enough I agree.

However it still doesn't change my opinion about there being 10 better boxers out there than Wladimir.

Can you find five who are more dominant?

Dominance alone doesn't qualify you into the top ten, you need to be a gifted boxer.

Wladimir isn't special the man's strategy for fights is

jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab right hand jab jab jab jab jab jab jab right hand etc etc

1a. Manny Pacquiao
1b. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Wladamir Klitschko
4. Paul Williams
5. Sergio Martinez
6. Tim Bradley Jr.
7a. Andre Ward
7a. Lucian Bute
9. David Haye
10. Amir Khan

Honorable mention: Tomaz Adamek, Sergei Dzinziruk, Shane Mosley, Devon Alexander, Juan Manuel Marquez, Yuriokis Gamboa, Celestino Caballero, Chris John, Nonito Donaire, Hozumi Hasegawa, Fernando Montiel, Ivan Calderon

Had to remove Chad, although I'll give him the chance to leapfrog a bunch of guys with a good next showing.

1. Floyd Joy Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Paul Williams
5. Miguel Cotto
6. Sergio Martinez
7. Andre Ward
8. Fernando Montiel
9. Lucian Bute
10. Wladimir Klitschko

honorable mentions: Tomasz Adamek, Shane Mosely, Nonito Donaire, Tim Bradley and Celestino Caballero

Erm shouldn't the list be ready by now ?

Ali_1748 wrote:

Erm shouldn't the list be ready by now ?

I will wait until Friday just in case anyone wants to add to it. Hell i havent done mine.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Manny at 147 has simply given up waaaaay too many of his physical advatages to be p4p top guy.

I still give him the benefit of the doubt in thinking that he can still jump across several divisions and be successful. Same reason I gave PDub the nod over Sergio.

1. Manny Pac
2. Floyd
3. JMM
4. Donaire
5. SM
6. PW
7. Calderon
8. Juan Ma
9. Wlad
10. Vitali