Update:Nick Diaz no show at drug test, off card - Taylor official replacement

gotta love the Cali Athletic Commission.

Apparantley not notifying fighters of policy changes is ok but fighters who test positive for Hepatitis C and possibly HIV is ok though?
http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-sp-mma-failed-test8-2009aug08,0,6990641.column

and if he takes the test and fails then he can't fight for a year. So instead he's just not going to chance it. He has a pescription. It's not illegal I can't fault him too much.

captain organic wrote:

and if he takes the test and fails then he can't fight for a year. So instead he's just not going to chance it. He has a pescription. It's not illegal I can't fault him too much.

That is why you can't fault him??

The Athletic comisiion should have let him or strikeforce know that the policy and drug testing had changed. If they had done that Nick would have passed, he didn't think he was getting tested until fightnight as that was the guidelines of his previous license.

Honestly it's a hit for the card but it's better for Diaz in the long run. Now he'll probably get on the Fedor card and get to fight a better opponent and still for the title.

Farmer1906 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

and if he takes the test and fails then he can't fight for a year. So instead he's just not going to chance it. He has a pescription. It's not illegal I can't fault him too much.

That is why you can't fault him??

yup.

this fight is pretty boring to me now.

So wait, he gets a pass because in the screwed up state of California pot heads can find a backwards doctor on almost any street corner that will give them a prescription for chronic for a "condition" that any other states doctors prescribe Ritilin? Oh, okay... I'm sorry Nick, you aren't a dumbass afterall... Seriously? LMFAO

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

So wait, he gets a pass because in the screwed up state of California pot heads can find a backwards doctor on almost any street corner that will give them a prescription for chronic for a "condition" that any other states doctors prescribe Ritilin? Oh, okay... I'm sorry Nick, you aren't a dumbass afterall... Seriously? LMFAO

Nah, he gets a pass because they said they said they would be testing on fight night and even had an agreement as such(according to Cesar Gracie). Is taking lots of Ritilin somehow more noble and just than Mary Jane?

Bragging about beating previous tests probably hiw worst error in all this.

Ritilin is actually a more dangerous and more addictive drug my friend. I would never take that shit. Too think they give those chemicals to little kids is scary.

Jruq wrote:

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

So wait, he gets a pass because in the screwed up state of California pot heads can find a backwards doctor on almost any street corner that will give them a prescription for chronic for a "condition" that any other states doctors prescribe Ritilin? Oh, okay... I'm sorry Nick, you aren't a dumbass afterall... Seriously? LMFAO

Nah, he gets a pass because they said they said they would be testing on fight night and even had an agreement as such(according to Cesar Gracie). Is taking lots of Ritilin somehow more noble and just than Mary Jane?

Bragging about beating previous tests probably hiw worst error in all this.

Neither is noble... One is an accepted form of treatment for a serious medical condition, the other is an illegal drug that a select few seek out back alley doctors to get a scrip for rather than continuing to dodge, duck and hide while using...

Look Oggy, I'm not saying that toking down is a bad thing necessarily... But facts are facts, and until it is taken off of the illegal narc list and is dropped from things to test for in piss tests, as an athlete you are an idiot for doing it anywhere near when you know you are going to have to fill up a cup. Two weeks or two days... Seriosuly, if you can't go a couple of weeks without "mellowing out", you might want to rethink your priorities in life. Are you an athlete or a pot head? It's not easy to be both...

oggy420 wrote:

Ritilin is actually a more dangerous and more addictive drug my friend. I would never take that shit. Too think they give those chemicals to little kids is scary.

You'll rethink that after you have a child with ADHD... I DO speak from experience!!!

I see where you are coming from LTFG, Mary Jane is illegal and Ritalin is not, but that doesn't change the fact that Ritalin, as are many "accepted" treatments and medications out there are much more dangerous and addictive than marijuana. California and about 6 or 7 other states have already accepted that medicinal marijuana has medical benefits. i cant knock Diaz for avoiding those chemicals and using a safer way to contorl his a.d.d.

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

oggy420 wrote:

Ritilin is actually a more dangerous and more addictive drug my friend. I would never take that shit. Too think they give those chemicals to little kids is scary.

You'll rethink that after you have a child with ADHD... I DO speak from experience!!!

hey to each his own. If it worked for your child that is great but i have also seen it negativley effect people.

oggy420 wrote:

I see where you are coming from LTFG, Mary Jane is illegal and Ritalin is not, but that doesn't change the fact that Ritalin, as are many "accepted" treatments and medications out there are much more dangerous and addictive than marijuana. California and about 6 or 7 other states have already accepted that medicinal marijuana has medical benefits. i cant knock Diaz for avoiding those chemicals and using a safer way to contorl his a.d.d.

And the problem I have with it is the difference between Ritilin, Straterra, Adderall, Dexadrine, etc. and pot is that they are two different things. The prescribed drugs are speed, uppers... Because of the chemical imbalance in the brain that causes ADHD it takes speed to bring the person down... It's a reverse effect due to the imbalance. It makes no sense that someone that actually has the condition needs THC, since by all accounts it should make the condition worse. So I see it as an excuse.

And again, he needs to weigh his priorities. If he does indeed have a prescrip for pot and the NSAC or CSAC does not accept that as valid, he needs to decide whether his dope is more important than switching to a traditional treatment. It's pretty apparent to me what he has chosen... And that's why I call him a world class dumbass. Kind of like the college football star who shows up to the combine knowing that they test and still tests positive costing him millions due to dropping ten spots in the draft for being stupid...

LTFG...if I remember right, Nick claims he smokes so he is able to fall asleep and weed helps him do that.

oggy420 wrote:

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

oggy420 wrote:

Ritilin is actually a more dangerous and more addictive drug my friend. I would never take that shit. Too think they give those chemicals to little kids is scary.

You'll rethink that after you have a child with ADHD... I DO speak from experience!!!

hey to each his own. If it worked for your child that is great but i have also seen it negativley effect people.

You have seen or heard rumors? You see, I have a 13 year old who was diagnosed at 6. He's fine one day, reading at 4, doing math at 5, loving, caring, effectionate... And kicking his mom for asking him to get in the tub at 6... Uncontrolled emotion outbursts, loud, bouncing off the walls and the focus of broken reading glasses. We went through 6 months of tests, and four different medications before finding one that works. We do a support group of over 200 people with kids involved twice a month and I have never seen the drugs being "dangerous". As far as being addictive... I have to remind him every morning and night to take it or he will forget. And I have heard nothing from other group members about addiction. Again, first hand daily dealings...

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

LTFG...if I remember right, Nick claims he smokes so he is able to fall asleep and weed helps him do that.

Again, doping or Tylenol PM? Where are your priorities as an athlete? Keep smoking and flip burgers, or find a real sleep aid and make a good living fighting? This isn't rocket science people...

LTFG...wasn't excusing Diaz, just putting out there what he said. I do not know what effects weed have on ADHD so I can't judge.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

LTFG...wasn't excusing Diaz, just putting out there what he said. I do not know what effects weed have on ADHD so I can't judge.

Okay Sooners, but my point is that these guys need to decide where their priorities lie. I think he has done that. He dosn't need excuse makers (Not suggesting you are one) as he has his reasons for what he does and none of us really know what goes on in his head. As far as the effects, I think I have shown in detail why weed isn't a logical treatment for ADHD.

Click the link. A little perspective from a different angle. http://pr.cannazine.co.uk/20080205147/cannabis-news/marijuana-replaces-ritalin-in-treatment-for-add/adhd-video.html
I use weed to help me sleep too. I just dont trust Perscription sleep aids.

When I get baked I usually can't turn off the TV lol, it would probably help me sleep if I didn't turn on the TV but I'm stuck surfing for a couple hours lol. Alive PM if I need to get to sleep.

oggy420 wrote:

Click the link. A little perspective from a different angle. http://pr.cannazine.co.uk/20080205147/cannabis-news/marijuana-replaces-ritalin-in-treatment-for-add/adhd-video.html
I use weed to help me sleep too. I just dont trust Perscription sleep aids.

LOL... A British marijuana website cites one pot smoking doctors thoughts and I'm supposed to take that seriously? Hey, when my doctor comes to me and tells me to light one up for my boy, I might pay attention. Yeah. Oggy... Look, first of all Ritilin isn't the only ADHD drug out there. Second, there are natural non-narcotic based drugs like Straterra out there. Third, the side effects they speak of occur in less than 1/10th of 1% of cases studied and that's why they have dozens of treatment options... Many different drugs, variations of each and dosages for each.

The thought of me telling my 13 year old to grab a bong is a little funny... And again, I'm not picking at people who toke. I'm just saying it's a poor excuse in this instance and just boils down to choices. He chooses to use this despite the fact that it could cost him his career if promotions get tired of dealing with him over this. It appears to me that lighting up is more important to him than his fighting career. Therefore to me he is a world class dumbass... It's as simple as that...

Scheduled drug testing is retarded anyways. Its basically saying that as long as you know how long it takes for drugs to get out of your system, it's ok to take drugs.

they dont have to smoke a bong. Did you watch the video? There are other ways by digesting it and you can control the doses and they get the benefits of drugs like ritalin without the side effects. Personally, my neighbor's daughter takes ritalin and she has serious eating issues. She has no apetite when on the drug, and eats fine when off it. And on of the benefits of marijuana is an increase apetite. Speaking off which im gonna go make a sandwhich.

franklinfan2 wrote:

Scheduled drug testing is retarded anyways. Its basically saying that as long as you know how long it takes for drugs to get out of your system, it's ok to take drugs.

Which is exactly why you are a complete moron if you fail one... Too much bong resin clogging the decision making part of the brain.