Top Ten Heavyweights, All Time?

GDPofDRC wrote:

Well anyone could say the same thing about Carwin, or Lesnar, or anyone else big. But I guess only people who got caught ever really did it.

Well Carwin and Lesnar have never tested positive and I don't believe in suspicion so they are innocent until proven guilty.

Actually, I think Carwin would knock Barnett TFO!!!

It's possible. One punch finishes are the only mma talent he has any aptitude at it seems or he might of finished Brock. The fact they are on an all time top ten HW list though is disturbing.

Brock is a 3x HW champ with impressive wins in his short career. I think he cracks the top ten of this young sport.

Disappointed that I'm not seeing Masakatsu Funaki on any of these lists. Has wins over Bas Rutten, Ken and Frank Shamrock, Vernon White, Yuki Kondo, Semmy Schilt, Minoru Suzuki, and Guy Mezger. If any of those guys are in the conversation, then so should Funaki.

Well Drew Brees is a top ten all Time QB in professional football so I can can see where your coming from.

boomer sooner wrote:

Disappointed that I'm not seeing Masakatsu Funaki on any of these lists. Has wins over Bas Rutten, Ken and Frank Shamrock, Vernon White, Yuki Kondo, Semmy Schilt, Minoru Suzuki, and Guy Mezger. If any of those guys are in the conversation, then so should Funaki.

I'm pretty sure he"s lost to all of those guys you listed also. He is a HOF worthy but not one of my best.

Drew Brees aint top ten yet for me but even still Brees has numbers way better than Carwin or Lesnar, fuck if these guys are top ten all time after a hand full of fights against Mir and Gonzaga, then in 8 months JDS and Cain might be top ten as well right?

In all honesty, the sport is too young to have a hall of fame or a top 10 of all time in any weight class. Hell, we still have guys competing who were competing when the sport was all but 5 years old (mainstream wise).

JDS will never be top 10 and Cain will lose to Brock, Carwin and Fedor. Maybe even Overeem also.

jimbojones1950 wrote:

In all honesty, the sport is too young to have a hall of fame or a top 10 of all time in any weight class. Hell, we still have guys competing who were competing when the sport was all but 5 years old (mainstream wise).

18 years worth of fights is not long but enough for me to decide who I think has been the best when they fought.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

JDS will never be top 10 and Cain will lose to Brock, Carwin and Fedor. Maybe even Overeem also.

this is the dumbest statement on this thread, JDS right now is better than Carwin! All carwin has is power for fuck sakes.

The smartest thing to come out of Toney's mouth was that its absurd that Couture is in the "hall of fame" yet still fighting. In no other sport can you be eligible for the hall of fame unless you are retired a certain number of years. It just goes to credibility, thats all im saying.

jimbojones1950 wrote:

The smartest thing to come out of Toney's mouth was that its absurd that Couture is in the "hall of fame" yet still fighting. In no other sport can you be eligible for the hall of fame unless you are retired a certain number of years. It just goes to credibility, thats all im saying.

Atleast Randy retired at some point. What about Matt Hughes? He never retired even for a day. That one makes less sense to me.

killerofchicken wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

JDS will never be top 10 and Cain will lose to Brock, Carwin and Fedor. Maybe even Overeem also.

this is the dumbest statement on this thread, JDS right now is better than Carwin! All carwin has is power for fuck sakes.

He only has power but that skill is way better than anything JDS has. Carwin would ko JDS in the 1st rd if they fought.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

killerofchicken wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

JDS will never be top 10 and Cain will lose to Brock, Carwin and Fedor. Maybe even Overeem also.

this is the dumbest statement on this thread, JDS right now is better than Carwin! All carwin has is power for fuck sakes.

He only has power but that skill is way better than anything JDS has. Carwin would ko JDS in the 1st rd if they fought.

I disagree, Carwin would have to take him down for the TKO. If not JDS knocks his ass out standing.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

killerofchicken wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

JDS will never be top 10 and Cain will lose to Brock, Carwin and Fedor. Maybe even Overeem also.

this is the dumbest statement on this thread, JDS right now is better than Carwin! All carwin has is power for fuck sakes.

He only has power but that skill is way better than anything JDS has. Carwin would ko JDS in the 1st rd if they fought.

LOL, OK man, whatever...

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

killerofchicken wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

JDS will never be top 10 and Cain will lose to Brock, Carwin and Fedor. Maybe even Overeem also.

this is the dumbest statement on this thread, JDS right now is better than Carwin! All carwin has is power for fuck sakes.

He only has power but that skill is way better than anything JDS has. Carwin would ko JDS in the 1st rd if they fought.

I disagree, Carwin would have to take him down for the TKO. If not JDS knocks his ass out standing.

That and we don't even know what JDS's ground game is like, the only time he got taken down was by Gabe and that was a half ass takedown
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We'll see when Roy Nelson beats his ass.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

We'll see when Roy Nelson beats his ass.

What does Roy beating JDS have to do with this convo? NOTHING! Your saying that Carwin is better than JDS, not that roy is better than him.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

even though he beat Severn and Bas and damn near Frye

He beat them at openweight didn't he? He was never the heavyweight champion and Bas was.

he was superfight champ which ended up being the lineal title to the heavyweight championship

There were no weight divisions then though. When they started weight divisions he fought at light-heavyweight. It's like saying Royce Gracie was 1 of the best ever heavyweights also.

ya 5 years later he went down to light heavy and still competed at heavyweight as well

he was a heavyweight IMO

I have to be honest and say that I'm actually shocked that Wolf didn't throw Werdum a bone. He's Wolf's current linear champ and beat the GOAT...

There's no list for me... Fedor is still #1 and there's a small group fighting it out for #2 way behind him. Then there's a bigger group fighting it out for 6-10 but any could probably be argued for #6 as easily as they could be argued #16...

I could see a case for Werdum before I saw a case for Carwin. Werdum has a much more impressive resume than either of the two giant wrestlers.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I could see a case for Werdum before I saw a case for Carwin. Werdum has a much more impressive resume than either of the two giant wrestlers.

I agree. He holds 2 wins over Gonzaga, 1 over Reem, Bigfoot and Emelianenko bros. IMO that is better then Carwin's resume.

Considerably

Carwin's resume is a win over Gonzaga and Mir, and nothing else.