Most evil boxer in motion picture

1. Clubber Lang - Mr. T gets the Academy Award for overacting, however it was entertaining. Nothing but a Rocky movie could accomodate a performance like the one T gave, but the movie as a whole came out well, which is the important thing.

2. Craig Bierko as Max Baer in Cinderella Man - No where near as mean as Mr. T. but a realistic and quality performance in a really great fight movie.

3. Ving Rhames as The Ice Man in "The Undisputed." - The Ice Man was supposed to be a portrayal of Mike Tyson. It was a good acting job by Ving Rhames, but it wasn't Mike Tyson. I didn't see his character as evil but rather unfortunate. Regardless, "The Undisputed" was a really fun movie that all boxing fans should see. Fight scenes are exceptional.

4. Raging Bull - Who ever the hell played Sugar Ray Robinson and beat Robert De Niro aka Jake La Motta down like that in the 13th was a raving maniac. LOL Seriously, as far as personality disorders are concerned, Jake got the worst of it via Bob De Niro's great performance in "Raging Bull."

Other opinions welcome.

Ivan Drago!!!!

gomez1012 wrote:

Ivan Drago!!!!

How could I forget him?! "I must break you."

4445Frank wrote:

1. Clubber Lang - Mr. T gets the Academy Award for overacting, however it was entertaining. Nothing but a Rocky movie could accomodate a performance like the one T gave, but the movie as a whole came out well, which is the important thing.

2. Craig Bierko as Max Baer in Cinderella Man - No where near as mean as Mr. T. but a realistic and quality performance in a really great fight movie.

3. Ving Rhames as The Ice Man in "The Undisputed." - The Ice Man was supposed to be a portrayal of Mike Tyson. It was a good acting job by Ving Rhames, but it wasn't Mike Tyson. I didn't see his character as evil but rather unfortunate. Regardless, "The Undisputed" was a really fun movie that all boxing fans should see. Fight scenes are exceptional.

4. Raging Bull - Who ever the hell played Sugar Ray Robinson and beat Robert De Niro aka Jake La Motta down like that in the 13th was a raving maniac. LOL Seriously, as far as personality disorders are concerned, Jake got the worst of it via Bob De Niro's great performance in "Raging Bull."

Other opinions welcome.

Max Baer was NOTHING like he was portrayed in Cinderella Man. He was instead a funny, friendly, likeable guy.

Ironically a good answer for this might actually be Max Baer for his portrayal of remorseless ring killer Buddy Brannen in The Harder They Fall.

Of course Mr. T was sensational. "I live alone, I train alone, I'll win the title alone!"

I happened to catch Undisputed again the other night. Fun movie. Ving is too weightlifter stiff to convincingly portray a great boxer, but they taught him some decent moves and his menace is unmistakeable.

How about Hammerhead Hagen from Diggstown? Lucia Riker was pretty scary in Million Dollar Baby.

fiction is fiction.ill take the million dollar baby as unrealistic the fight sceen was..

dmar5143 wrote:

fiction is fiction.ill take the million dollar baby as unrealistic the fight sceen was..

This was my problem with MDBaby. I never saw a fight where the boxer hit their opponent in the back once the fight ended... and crippled them. I thought it was an overrated movie.

Interviewer: What's your prediction for the fight?
Clubber Lang: My prediction?
Interviewer: Yes, your prediction.
Clubber Lang: Pain!

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

1. Clubber Lang - Mr. T gets the Academy Award for overacting, however it was entertaining. Nothing but a Rocky movie could accomodate a performance like the one T gave, but the movie as a whole came out well, which is the important thing.

2. Craig Bierko as Max Baer in Cinderella Man - No where near as mean as Mr. T. but a realistic and quality performance in a really great fight movie.

3. Ving Rhames as The Ice Man in "The Undisputed." - The Ice Man was supposed to be a portrayal of Mike Tyson. It was a good acting job by Ving Rhames, but it wasn't Mike Tyson. I didn't see his character as evil but rather unfortunate. Regardless, "The Undisputed" was a really fun movie that all boxing fans should see. Fight scenes are exceptional.

4. Raging Bull - Who ever the hell played Sugar Ray Robinson and beat Robert De Niro aka Jake La Motta down like that in the 13th was a raving maniac. LOL Seriously, as far as personality disorders are concerned, Jake got the worst of it via Bob De Niro's great performance in "Raging Bull."

Other opinions welcome.

Max Baer was NOTHING like he was portrayed in Cinderella Man. He was instead a funny, friendly, likeable guy.

Ironically a good answer for this might actually be Max Baer for his portrayal of remorseless ring killer Buddy Brannen in The Harder They Fall.

Of course Mr. T was sensational. "I live alone, I train alone, I'll win the title alone!"

I happened to catch Undisputed again the other night. Fun movie. Ving is too weightlifter stiff to convincingly portray a great boxer, but they taught him some decent moves and his menace is unmistakeable.

I heard that Max was a nice guy from some reliable sources, namely Bert Sugar. He stated that Max went into a terrible depression after killing an opponent. But Marble, movies are movies. Ron Howard, who is mostly into detail, intentionally gave a false look at Max because every boxing movie needs an antagonist.

How about "Satan" in "South Park?"

Tommy Gunn

4445Frank wrote:

1. Clubber Lang - Mr. T gets the Academy Award for overacting, however it was entertaining. Nothing but a Rocky movie could accomodate a performance like the one T gave, but the movie as a whole came out well, which is the important thing.

2. Craig Bierko as Max Baer in Cinderella Man - No where near as mean as Mr. T. but a realistic and quality performance in a really great fight movie.

3. Ving Rhames as The Ice Man in "The Undisputed." - The Ice Man was supposed to be a portrayal of Mike Tyson. It was a good acting job by Ving Rhames, but it wasn't Mike Tyson. I didn't see his character as evil but rather unfortunate. Regardless, "The Undisputed" was a really fun movie that all boxing fans should see. Fight scenes are exceptional.

4. Raging Bull - Who ever the hell played Sugar Ray Robinson and beat Robert De Niro aka Jake La Motta down like that in the 13th was a raving maniac. LOL Seriously, as far as personality disorders are concerned, Jake got the worst of it via Bob De Niro's great performance in "Raging Bull."

Other opinions welcome.

your flat out wrong , Baer was loved, he was like a clown, he was funny, and in all kinds of films, Ron Howard got sued and lost and had to pay 5 million to the Baer family for the bullshit portrayal of him in that movie

i love it in undisputed when VIng scares the shit outta Jim Lampley and bitch slaps Wesley

how about Marvin Shibazz, Mister "I'll shove my dick so far up yo ass my dick will impale yo tonsil's"

Lovitz " well theres a prety picture"
Shibazz : "Shut up"
Lovitz: "Alright"

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

1. Clubber Lang - Mr. T gets the Academy Award for overacting, however it was entertaining. Nothing but a Rocky movie could accomodate a performance like the one T gave, but the movie as a whole came out well, which is the important thing.

2. Craig Bierko as Max Baer in Cinderella Man - No where near as mean as Mr. T. but a realistic and quality performance in a really great fight movie.

3. Ving Rhames as The Ice Man in "The Undisputed." - The Ice Man was supposed to be a portrayal of Mike Tyson. It was a good acting job by Ving Rhames, but it wasn't Mike Tyson. I didn't see his character as evil but rather unfortunate. Regardless, "The Undisputed" was a really fun movie that all boxing fans should see. Fight scenes are exceptional.

4. Raging Bull - Who ever the hell played Sugar Ray Robinson and beat Robert De Niro aka Jake La Motta down like that in the 13th was a raving maniac. LOL Seriously, as far as personality disorders are concerned, Jake got the worst of it via Bob De Niro's great performance in "Raging Bull."

Other opinions welcome.

Max Baer was NOTHING like he was portrayed in Cinderella Man. He was instead a funny, friendly, likeable guy.

Ironically a good answer for this might actually be Max Baer for his portrayal of remorseless ring killer Buddy Brannen in The Harder They Fall.

Of course Mr. T was sensational. "I live alone, I train alone, I'll win the title alone!"

I happened to catch Undisputed again the other night. Fun movie. Ving is too weightlifter stiff to convincingly portray a great boxer, but they taught him some decent moves and his menace is unmistakeable.

I heard that Max was a nice guy from some reliable sources, namely Bert Sugar. He stated that Max went into a terrible depression after killing an opponent. But Marble, movies are movies. Ron Howard, who is mostly into detail, intentionally gave a false look at Max because every boxing movie needs an antagonist.

Ron Howard has forgotten more about moviemaking than I'll ever know. But in my view the antagonist had already been established, the Depression.

Birdofthad wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

1. Clubber Lang - Mr. T gets the Academy Award for overacting, however it was entertaining. Nothing but a Rocky movie could accomodate a performance like the one T gave, but the movie as a whole came out well, which is the important thing.

2. Craig Bierko as Max Baer in Cinderella Man - No where near as mean as Mr. T. but a realistic and quality performance in a really great fight movie.

3. Ving Rhames as The Ice Man in "The Undisputed." - The Ice Man was supposed to be a portrayal of Mike Tyson. It was a good acting job by Ving Rhames, but it wasn't Mike Tyson. I didn't see his character as evil but rather unfortunate. Regardless, "The Undisputed" was a really fun movie that all boxing fans should see. Fight scenes are exceptional.

4. Raging Bull - Who ever the hell played Sugar Ray Robinson and beat Robert De Niro aka Jake La Motta down like that in the 13th was a raving maniac. LOL Seriously, as far as personality disorders are concerned, Jake got the worst of it via Bob De Niro's great performance in "Raging Bull."

Other opinions welcome.

your flat out wrong , Baer was loved, he was like a clown, he was funny, and in all kinds of films, Ron Howard got sued and lost and had to pay 5 million to the Baer family for the bullshit portrayal of him in that movie

I didn't know about the lawsuit, however I stated in another post that I knew Baer was a nice guy. I didn't make the movie.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

1. Clubber Lang - Mr. T gets the Academy Award for overacting, however it was entertaining. Nothing but a Rocky movie could accomodate a performance like the one T gave, but the movie as a whole came out well, which is the important thing.

2. Craig Bierko as Max Baer in Cinderella Man - No where near as mean as Mr. T. but a realistic and quality performance in a really great fight movie.

3. Ving Rhames as The Ice Man in "The Undisputed." - The Ice Man was supposed to be a portrayal of Mike Tyson. It was a good acting job by Ving Rhames, but it wasn't Mike Tyson. I didn't see his character as evil but rather unfortunate. Regardless, "The Undisputed" was a really fun movie that all boxing fans should see. Fight scenes are exceptional.

4. Raging Bull - Who ever the hell played Sugar Ray Robinson and beat Robert De Niro aka Jake La Motta down like that in the 13th was a raving maniac. LOL Seriously, as far as personality disorders are concerned, Jake got the worst of it via Bob De Niro's great performance in "Raging Bull."

Other opinions welcome.

Max Baer was NOTHING like he was portrayed in Cinderella Man. He was instead a funny, friendly, likeable guy.

Ironically a good answer for this might actually be Max Baer for his portrayal of remorseless ring killer Buddy Brannen in The Harder They Fall.

Of course Mr. T was sensational. "I live alone, I train alone, I'll win the title alone!"

I happened to catch Undisputed again the other night. Fun movie. Ving is too weightlifter stiff to convincingly portray a great boxer, but they taught him some decent moves and his menace is unmistakeable.

I heard that Max was a nice guy from some reliable sources, namely Bert Sugar. He stated that Max went into a terrible depression after killing an opponent. But Marble, movies are movies. Ron Howard, who is mostly into detail, intentionally gave a false look at Max because every boxing movie needs an antagonist.

Ron Howard has forgotten more about moviemaking than I'll ever know. But in my view the antagonist had already been established, the Depression.

Great point, Marble. That makes the movie smart and sophisticated. A realistic look at boxing and the Depression. I'm on your side on this more than you'll ever know. lol: So tell me, when was the last time you saw an intelligent Hollywood movie? (smile)

the chick from million dollar baby, even tho as someone already mentioned, its totally unrealistic, its worse than a bhop v golota v ruiz v tyson fight for fouls lol

sugarrayhatton wrote:

the chick from million dollar baby, even tho as someone already mentioned, its totally unrealistic, its worse than a bhop v golota v ruiz v tyson fight for fouls lol

She was a real bitch.

Biopics are always a source of alot of fiction

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

1. Clubber Lang - Mr. T gets the Academy Award for overacting, however it was entertaining. Nothing but a Rocky movie could accomodate a performance like the one T gave, but the movie as a whole came out well, which is the important thing.

2. Craig Bierko as Max Baer in Cinderella Man - No where near as mean as Mr. T. but a realistic and quality performance in a really great fight movie.

3. Ving Rhames as The Ice Man in "The Undisputed." - The Ice Man was supposed to be a portrayal of Mike Tyson. It was a good acting job by Ving Rhames, but it wasn't Mike Tyson. I didn't see his character as evil but rather unfortunate. Regardless, "The Undisputed" was a really fun movie that all boxing fans should see. Fight scenes are exceptional.

4. Raging Bull - Who ever the hell played Sugar Ray Robinson and beat Robert De Niro aka Jake La Motta down like that in the 13th was a raving maniac. LOL Seriously, as far as personality disorders are concerned, Jake got the worst of it via Bob De Niro's great performance in "Raging Bull."

Other opinions welcome.

Max Baer was NOTHING like he was portrayed in Cinderella Man. He was instead a funny, friendly, likeable guy.

Ironically a good answer for this might actually be Max Baer for his portrayal of remorseless ring killer Buddy Brannen in The Harder They Fall.

Of course Mr. T was sensational. "I live alone, I train alone, I'll win the title alone!"

I happened to catch Undisputed again the other night. Fun movie. Ving is too weightlifter stiff to convincingly portray a great boxer, but they taught him some decent moves and his menace is unmistakeable.

I heard that Max was a nice guy from some reliable sources, namely Bert Sugar. He stated that Max went into a terrible depression after killing an opponent. But Marble, movies are movies. Ron Howard, who is mostly into detail, intentionally gave a false look at Max because every boxing movie needs an antagonist.

Ron Howard has forgotten more about moviemaking than I'll ever know. But in my view the antagonist had already been established, the Depression.

Great point, Marble. That makes the movie smart and sophisticated. A realistic look at boxing and the Depression. I'm on your side on this more than you'll ever know. lol: So tell me, when was the last time you saw an intelligent Hollywood movie? (smile)

It's bad, I have almost written off Hollywood completely. The only decently written movies I can find are based on wonderful books. The House of Sand and Fog in like 2004 was absolutely brilliant. No Country for Old Men was excellent (is Chagur, time or death or what?), Ray was good too.

But too much of Hollywood's stuff now is agenda or special effects driven. I like scripts.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

1. Clubber Lang - Mr. T gets the Academy Award for overacting, however it was entertaining. Nothing but a Rocky movie could accomodate a performance like the one T gave, but the movie as a whole came out well, which is the important thing.

2. Craig Bierko as Max Baer in Cinderella Man - No where near as mean as Mr. T. but a realistic and quality performance in a really great fight movie.

3. Ving Rhames as The Ice Man in "The Undisputed." - The Ice Man was supposed to be a portrayal of Mike Tyson. It was a good acting job by Ving Rhames, but it wasn't Mike Tyson. I didn't see his character as evil but rather unfortunate. Regardless, "The Undisputed" was a really fun movie that all boxing fans should see. Fight scenes are exceptional.

4. Raging Bull - Who ever the hell played Sugar Ray Robinson and beat Robert De Niro aka Jake La Motta down like that in the 13th was a raving maniac. LOL Seriously, as far as personality disorders are concerned, Jake got the worst of it via Bob De Niro's great performance in "Raging Bull."

Other opinions welcome.

Max Baer was NOTHING like he was portrayed in Cinderella Man. He was instead a funny, friendly, likeable guy.

Ironically a good answer for this might actually be Max Baer for his portrayal of remorseless ring killer Buddy Brannen in The Harder They Fall.

Of course Mr. T was sensational. "I live alone, I train alone, I'll win the title alone!"

I happened to catch Undisputed again the other night. Fun movie. Ving is too weightlifter stiff to convincingly portray a great boxer, but they taught him some decent moves and his menace is unmistakeable.

I heard that Max was a nice guy from some reliable sources, namely Bert Sugar. He stated that Max went into a terrible depression after killing an opponent. But Marble, movies are movies. Ron Howard, who is mostly into detail, intentionally gave a false look at Max because every boxing movie needs an antagonist.

Ron Howard has forgotten more about moviemaking than I'll ever know. But in my view the antagonist had already been established, the Depression.

Great point, Marble. That makes the movie smart and sophisticated. A realistic look at boxing and the Depression. I'm on your side on this more than you'll ever know. lol: So tell me, when was the last time you saw an intelligent Hollywood movie? (smile)

It's bad, I have almost written off Hollywood completely. The only decently written movies I can find are based on wonderful books. The House of Sand and Fog in like 2004 was absolutely brilliant. No Country for Old Men was excellent (is Chagur, time or death or what?), Ray was good too.

But too much of Hollywood's stuff now is agenda or special effects driven. I like scripts.

The House and Old Men were really special movies. I wish the majority of movie fans were more like you. They're not. Makes things harder for indie artists. Oh hell, those are the breaks. The masses never had much brains to begin with. I'm not a snob, just a hard working realist.

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

1. Clubber Lang - Mr. T gets the Academy Award for overacting, however it was entertaining. Nothing but a Rocky movie could accomodate a performance like the one T gave, but the movie as a whole came out well, which is the important thing.

2. Craig Bierko as Max Baer in Cinderella Man - No where near as mean as Mr. T. but a realistic and quality performance in a really great fight movie.

3. Ving Rhames as The Ice Man in "The Undisputed." - The Ice Man was supposed to be a portrayal of Mike Tyson. It was a good acting job by Ving Rhames, but it wasn't Mike Tyson. I didn't see his character as evil but rather unfortunate. Regardless, "The Undisputed" was a really fun movie that all boxing fans should see. Fight scenes are exceptional.

4. Raging Bull - Who ever the hell played Sugar Ray Robinson and beat Robert De Niro aka Jake La Motta down like that in the 13th was a raving maniac. LOL Seriously, as far as personality disorders are concerned, Jake got the worst of it via Bob De Niro's great performance in "Raging Bull."

Other opinions welcome.

Max Baer was NOTHING like he was portrayed in Cinderella Man. He was instead a funny, friendly, likeable guy.

Ironically a good answer for this might actually be Max Baer for his portrayal of remorseless ring killer Buddy Brannen in The Harder They Fall.

Of course Mr. T was sensational. "I live alone, I train alone, I'll win the title alone!"

I happened to catch Undisputed again the other night. Fun movie. Ving is too weightlifter stiff to convincingly portray a great boxer, but they taught him some decent moves and his menace is unmistakeable.

I heard that Max was a nice guy from some reliable sources, namely Bert Sugar. He stated that Max went into a terrible depression after killing an opponent. But Marble, movies are movies. Ron Howard, who is mostly into detail, intentionally gave a false look at Max because every boxing movie needs an antagonist.

Ron Howard has forgotten more about moviemaking than I'll ever know. But in my view the antagonist had already been established, the Depression.

Great point, Marble. That makes the movie smart and sophisticated. A realistic look at boxing and the Depression. I'm on your side on this more than you'll ever know. lol: So tell me, when was the last time you saw an intelligent Hollywood movie? (smile)

It's bad, I have almost written off Hollywood completely. The only decently written movies I can find are based on wonderful books. The House of Sand and Fog in like 2004 was absolutely brilliant. No Country for Old Men was excellent (is Chagur, time or death or what?), Ray was good too.

But too much of Hollywood's stuff now is agenda or special effects driven. I like scripts.

The House and Old Men were really special movies. I wish the majority of movie fans were more like you. They're not. Makes things harder for indie artists. Oh hell, those are the breaks. The masses never had much brains to begin with. I'm not a snob, just a hard working realist.

I'm a snob

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

1. Clubber Lang - Mr. T gets the Academy Award for overacting, however it was entertaining. Nothing but a Rocky movie could accomodate a performance like the one T gave, but the movie as a whole came out well, which is the important thing.

2. Craig Bierko as Max Baer in Cinderella Man - No where near as mean as Mr. T. but a realistic and quality performance in a really great fight movie.

3. Ving Rhames as The Ice Man in "The Undisputed." - The Ice Man was supposed to be a portrayal of Mike Tyson. It was a good acting job by Ving Rhames, but it wasn't Mike Tyson. I didn't see his character as evil but rather unfortunate. Regardless, "The Undisputed" was a really fun movie that all boxing fans should see. Fight scenes are exceptional.

4. Raging Bull - Who ever the hell played Sugar Ray Robinson and beat Robert De Niro aka Jake La Motta down like that in the 13th was a raving maniac. LOL Seriously, as far as personality disorders are concerned, Jake got the worst of it via Bob De Niro's great performance in "Raging Bull."

Other opinions welcome.

Max Baer was NOTHING like he was portrayed in Cinderella Man. He was instead a funny, friendly, likeable guy.

Ironically a good answer for this might actually be Max Baer for his portrayal of remorseless ring killer Buddy Brannen in The Harder They Fall.

Of course Mr. T was sensational. "I live alone, I train alone, I'll win the title alone!"

I happened to catch Undisputed again the other night. Fun movie. Ving is too weightlifter stiff to convincingly portray a great boxer, but they taught him some decent moves and his menace is unmistakeable.

I heard that Max was a nice guy from some reliable sources, namely Bert Sugar. He stated that Max went into a terrible depression after killing an opponent. But Marble, movies are movies. Ron Howard, who is mostly into detail, intentionally gave a false look at Max because every boxing movie needs an antagonist.

Ron Howard has forgotten more about moviemaking than I'll ever know. But in my view the antagonist had already been established, the Depression.

Great point, Marble. That makes the movie smart and sophisticated. A realistic look at boxing and the Depression. I'm on your side on this more than you'll ever know. lol: So tell me, when was the last time you saw an intelligent Hollywood movie? (smile)

It's bad, I have almost written off Hollywood completely. The only decently written movies I can find are based on wonderful books. The House of Sand and Fog in like 2004 was absolutely brilliant. No Country for Old Men was excellent (is Chagur, time or death or what?), Ray was good too.

But too much of Hollywood's stuff now is agenda or special effects driven. I like scripts.

The House and Old Men were really special movies. I wish the majority of movie fans were more like you. They're not. Makes things harder for indie artists. Oh hell, those are the breaks. The masses never had much brains to begin with. I'm not a snob, just a hard working realist.

I'm a snob

LOL. Well nothing wrong with being a snob vs. Hollywood elitists. That means you ignore billion dollar movie companies and Paris Hilton. Yeah, I know. Paris Hilton. There's a downside to everything. Even being an intellectual.

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

1. Clubber Lang - Mr. T gets the Academy Award for overacting, however it was entertaining. Nothing but a Rocky movie could accomodate a performance like the one T gave, but the movie as a whole came out well, which is the important thing.

2. Craig Bierko as Max Baer in Cinderella Man - No where near as mean as Mr. T. but a realistic and quality performance in a really great fight movie.

3. Ving Rhames as The Ice Man in "The Undisputed." - The Ice Man was supposed to be a portrayal of Mike Tyson. It was a good acting job by Ving Rhames, but it wasn't Mike Tyson. I didn't see his character as evil but rather unfortunate. Regardless, "The Undisputed" was a really fun movie that all boxing fans should see. Fight scenes are exceptional.

4. Raging Bull - Who ever the hell played Sugar Ray Robinson and beat Robert De Niro aka Jake La Motta down like that in the 13th was a raving maniac. LOL Seriously, as far as personality disorders are concerned, Jake got the worst of it via Bob De Niro's great performance in "Raging Bull."

Other opinions welcome.

Max Baer was NOTHING like he was portrayed in Cinderella Man. He was instead a funny, friendly, likeable guy.

Ironically a good answer for this might actually be Max Baer for his portrayal of remorseless ring killer Buddy Brannen in The Harder They Fall.

Of course Mr. T was sensational. "I live alone, I train alone, I'll win the title alone!"

I happened to catch Undisputed again the other night. Fun movie. Ving is too weightlifter stiff to convincingly portray a great boxer, but they taught him some decent moves and his menace is unmistakeable.

I heard that Max was a nice guy from some reliable sources, namely Bert Sugar. He stated that Max went into a terrible depression after killing an opponent. But Marble, movies are movies. Ron Howard, who is mostly into detail, intentionally gave a false look at Max because every boxing movie needs an antagonist.

Ron Howard has forgotten more about moviemaking than I'll ever know. But in my view the antagonist had already been established, the Depression.

Great point, Marble. That makes the movie smart and sophisticated. A realistic look at boxing and the Depression. I'm on your side on this more than you'll ever know. lol: So tell me, when was the last time you saw an intelligent Hollywood movie? (smile)

It's bad, I have almost written off Hollywood completely. The only decently written movies I can find are based on wonderful books. The House of Sand and Fog in like 2004 was absolutely brilliant. No Country for Old Men was excellent (is Chagur, time or death or what?), Ray was good too.

But too much of Hollywood's stuff now is agenda or special effects driven. I like scripts.

The House and Old Men were really special movies. I wish the majority of movie fans were more like you. They're not. Makes things harder for indie artists. Oh hell, those are the breaks. The masses never had much brains to begin with. I'm not a snob, just a hard working realist.

I'm a snob

LOL. Well nothing wrong with being a snob vs. Hollywood elitists. That means you ignore billion dollar movie companies and Paris Hilton. Yeah, I know. Paris Hilton. There's a downside to everything. Even being an intellectual.

I'm sure you've seen both of them, but two of the truly great scripts you'll ever see are James Goldman's "Lion in Winter" and Robert Bolt's "A Man for All Seasons." BTW Paris is VERY highly thought of on Maui. She is here often and treats the hotel staffs like they are family. Those staffs, maybe 3000 strong near my home, are really opinion-makers here. Her brother Nick is another story altogether.

ya the stuff in the lawsuit that really screwed Ron was having Baer talk shit about and to Braddocks wife which flat out didnt happen, they were able to prove it and Howard settled before it went farther if i remember correctly