Final thoughts on Mayweather and Pacquiao

dmar5143 wrote:

whats the incredients or is there none on the label..one time when i was 20 at the ymca i put on what i thought was 275..did it 15 reps and had a few more reps left but had no spotter..i then looked and saw it was 300 lbs..the mind works wonders...again what type of heavies would that bunch i named how would they do lol without supplimentsw..

How about the Klits? How about LL? How about Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe etc? How about Haye? How about the guys who are not fat asses and actually workout? BTW all of those guys have used supplements. They come from that era when supplements were big.

This is what I use. It is one of the weaker supplements out there. I use this one because I am not trying to be a bodybuilder but I still do sports.
http://www.ndsnutrition.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=111

hollifield i suspect uses steroids.lee haney 7 time mr olymplia and good friend is his strenth coach.both live in atlanta..where is the great hand speed and foot speed of the 2 K brothers both ex steroid users.the great footword and handspeed of lenox lewis..you said it does that to fighters..did you send a questioneer to every fighter out there on suppliments..your guessing that they ALL use them..noo proof like your therory sooner..
for a few years i took a vitiman called super spectrom..a time released one..the mumble jumble PR about amino acids and combining argentine and and another one i forget..the miricle of ldropa..liver tablets .all claim big things.its bullshit.again how slow and robotic would the K brothers be without suppliments..not a shining example..

dmar5143 wrote:

hollifield i suspect uses steroids.lee haney 7 time mr olymplia and good friend is his strenth coach.both live in atlanta..where is the great hand speed and foot speed of the 2 K brothers both ex steroid users.the great footword and handspeed of lenox lewis..you said it does that to fighters..did you send a questioneer to every fighter out there on suppliments..your guessing that they ALL use them..noo proof like your therory sooner..
for a few years i took a vitiman called super spectrom..a time released one..the mumble jumble PR about amino acids and combining argentine and and another one i forget..the miricle of ldropa..liver tablets .all claim big things.its bullshit.again how slow and robotic would the K brothers be without suppliments..not a shining example..

I guess we better tell all the atheletes of the world that they are waisting their money. I guess those scientist who made and test this shit are lying? I agree Holy is probably on roids. You guys really do believe that all the advances that go into training does not help a fighter? WOW I cant believe you guys really believe that.

my last post on this topic.you were asked who are the fighters that have faster footwork faster punches more strenth and faster reflexes that are betterthen the examples of the fighters i gave you..you ansered none..marble asked why are the heavies one of the worst divisions of all time.0no anser.i ask names of 50 fighters that do all the things you claim this stuff does you gave none.fast reflexes fast footwork fast hands..your avoiding the issues..how come we cannot see this huge improvement in the ring over the fighters that took none..enough.

dmar5143 wrote:

my last post on this topic.you were asked who are the fighters that have faster footwork faster punches more strenth and faster reflexes that are betterthen the examples of the fighters i gave you..you ansered none..marble asked why are the heavies one of the worst divisions of all time.0no anser.i ask names of 50 fighters that do all the things you claim this stuff does you gave none.fast reflexes fast footwork fast hands..your avoiding the issues..how come we cannot see this huge improvement in the ring over the fighters that took none..enough.

First I answered Marbles question. Second you really want me to list every fighter who has fast footwork and fast hands that uses supplements? Here let me just give you one guy who uses supplements and has done things that no one has ever done in boxing before. Manny Pac.

and harry grebs year of 1919 will never be done again..geez.ohh dear harry took snake oil from the medicine man lol..joking sooner..

dmar5143 wrote:

and harry grebs year of 1919 will never be done again..geez.ohh dear harry took snake oil from the medicine man lol..joking sooner..

LMAO Hey I see your points Dmar I am just very stubbern and I love to argue. Just think about this if the old guys had stuff to make them punch harder how much better would they have been?

Also my point is hard to prove because every fighter now days uses supplements so its kinda an even playing field.

marciano at 185 or by todays weigh in standards at 175.185 fight night is frightning enough

dmar5143 wrote:

marciano at 185 or by todays weigh in standards at 175.185 fight night is frightning enough

No kidding that would be scary.

4445Frank wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

My final thought is Manny should never approach a Karaoke Machine again !!

Floyd didn't sign because he knew Manny was planning an after party karaokeathon and stopped hundreds of innocents ear drums from bleeding.

Ali, you've been all over Manny and his singing ability ever since I've known you. Have you ever heard "Larry Holmes and The Knockouts", or Ali howling "Stand By Me?" Ever see Ray Robinson tap dance? They all suck. LOL. Manny wouldn't qualify for "American Idol" but at least he can get through a song and stay somewhat close to the right key. The only other fighter I knew who could do that was Joe Frazier. He may've been the best singer/boxer I ever heard. Believe me, that's no compliment. These guys ain't Luther Vandross.

LOL Are you sure Ray Robinson was bad ? I read he was actually quite the twinkle toes.

soonermark890 wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:

my last post on this topic.you were asked who are the fighters that have faster footwork faster punches more strenth and faster reflexes that are betterthen the examples of the fighters i gave you..you ansered none..marble asked why are the heavies one of the worst divisions of all time.0no anser.i ask names of 50 fighters that do all the things you claim this stuff does you gave none.fast reflexes fast footwork fast hands..your avoiding the issues..how come we cannot see this huge improvement in the ring over the fighters that took none..enough.

First I answered Marbles question. Second you really want me to list every fighter who has fast footwork and fast hands that uses supplements? Here let me just give you one guy who uses supplements and has done things that no one has ever done in boxing before. Manny Pac.

There is NOTHING Manny is doing that hasn't been done before that I can think of. NOTHING.

Second, you continue to ignore the basic mathematical issues AND the fact that boxing is a man vs man sport.

Third, the heavies BLOW. Like in all-time BLOW. So the one area where these supplements should be most benficial is at its all-time low point and you don't think that destroys your argument?

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dmar5143 wrote:

and harry grebs year of 1919 will never be done again..geez.ohh dear harry took snake oil from the medicine man lol..joking sooner..

LMAO Hey I see your points Dmar I am just very stubbern and I love to argue. Just think about this if the old guys had stuff to make them punch harder how much better would they have been?

Also my point is hard to prove because every fighter now days uses supplements so its kinda an even playing field.[/quote]

THERE you go!!!!!!!!!!!

One other thing to consider though is IF these things made figthers bigger and stronger which led to harder punching? Since there is NO supplament to improve the skull and brain's ability to absorb punishment, why aren't there dead fighters all over the pl;ace?

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soonermark890 wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:

and harry grebs year of 1919 will never be done again..geez.ohh dear harry took snake oil from the medicine man lol..joking sooner..

LMAO Hey I see your points Dmar I am just very stubbern and I love to argue. Just think about this if the old guys had stuff to make them punch harder how much better would they have been?

Also my point is hard to prove because every fighter now days uses supplements so its kinda an even playing field.[/quote]

THERE you go!!!!!!!!!!!

One other thing to consider though is IF these things made figthers bigger and stronger which led to harder punching? Since there is NO supplament to improve the skull and brain's ability to absorb punishment, why aren't there dead fighters all over the pl;ace?

We do see guys chins going in 30 fights instead of 200. Doesnt that show you something?

[quote="soonermark890"]

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:

and harry grebs year of 1919 will never be done again..geez.ohh dear harry took snake oil from the medicine man lol..joking sooner..

LMAO Hey I see your points Dmar I am just very stubbern and I love to argue. Just think about this if the old guys had stuff to make them punch harder how much better would they have been?

Also my point is hard to prove because every fighter now days uses supplements so its kinda an even playing field.[/quote]

THERE you go!!!!!!!!!!!

One other thing to consider though is IF these things made figthers bigger and stronger which led to harder punching? Since there is NO supplament to improve the skull and brain's ability to absorb punishment, why aren't there dead fighters all over the pl;ace?

We do see guys chins going in 30 fights instead of 200. Doesnt that show you something?

Yeah, they don't have the basic defensive skills to avoid getting punched or to roll with a blow. Technique is terrible these days. Guys chins have ALWAYS gone early. You just never heard of them because they left the sport before they ever made a name.

Also, if bigger/stronger etcv wouldn't we see many more busted hands for the same reason? Wouldn't it be epidemic?

[quote="marbleheadmaui"]

soonermark890 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:

and harry grebs year of 1919 will never be done again..geez.ohh dear harry took snake oil from the medicine man lol..joking sooner..

LMAO Hey I see your points Dmar I am just very stubbern and I love to argue. Just think about this if the old guys had stuff to make them punch harder how much better would they have been?

Also my point is hard to prove because every fighter now days uses supplements so its kinda an even playing field.[/quote]

THERE you go!!!!!!!!!!!

One other thing to consider though is IF these things made figthers bigger and stronger which led to harder punching? Since there is NO supplament to improve the skull and brain's ability to absorb punishment, why aren't there dead fighters all over the pl;ace?

We do see guys chins going in 30 fights instead of 200. Doesnt that show you something?

Yeah, they don't have the basic defensive skills to avoid getting punched or to roll with a blow. Technique is terrible these days. Guys chins have ALWAYS gone early. You just never heard of them because they left the sport before they ever made a name.

Also, if bigger/stronger etcv wouldn't we see many more busted hands for the same reason? Wouldn't it be epidemic?

Like we would hear about that. They take months off in between negotiations not just fights. Plenty of time to heal.

sooner i just thought of something..jimmy wilde ko one or more fighters in every division.thats when they had 8..from flyweight to heavy..if they had 17 divisions back then then we can say jimmy litterly koed a fighter in all 17 divisions..and if they had 4 major phoney commisions and maybe 3 phoney minor ones why wilde would of been champ in divisions going from 105 to 160...a dozen straps.....maybe it was the warm british beer jimmy drank that gave him thoses mystical powers.lol..see warm beer increases 100 fold the wheat germ making you faster stronger and gives you lightning reflexes....seriously think about it..jimmy weight around 105 most of his career to a high of maybe 115 i guess yet koed a fighter in all 17 divisions by todays standards.that to me is more impressive or surpasses pacs great feat..marble and i can go on and on..by points scored if it was a football game the score would be 357-3...in all honesty making a statement is one thing..backing it up with proof visual eveidence in the ring is another thing..
by saying fighters take off a lot of time to heal again is a arguement thats strong against your own therory..see claims of many suplliment makers is that this miracle stuff from the planet zoolou makes you recouperate faster heal faster the muscle tissues etc etc..soo the fighter of years ago fought 12 or more times a year did that and excelled without the benefit of that stuff but in your own words a fighter today not only takes months off from fighting but also from the difficult energy depleating negotiation process..with these suplliments that take time to heal...heal from what.inactivity..think about what you said..

dmar5143 wrote:

sooner i just thought of something..jimmy wilde ko one or more fighters in every division.thats when they had 8..from flyweight to heavy..if they had 17 divisions back then then we can say jimmy litterly koed a fighter in all 17 divisions..and if they had 4 major phoney commisions and maybe 3 phoney minor ones why wilde would of been champ in divisions going from 105 to 160...a dozen straps.....maybe it was the warm british beer jimmy drank that gave him thoses mystical powers.lol..see warm beer increases 100 fold the wheat germ making you faster stronger and gives you lightning reflexes....seriously think about it..jimmy weight around 105 most of his career to a high of maybe 115 i guess yet koed a fighter in all 17 divisions by todays standards.that to me is more impressive or surpasses pacs great feat..marble and i can go on and on..by points scored if it was a football game the score would be 357-3...in all honesty making a statement is one thing..backing it up with proof visual eveidence in the ring is another thing..
by saying fighters take off a lot of time to heal again is a arguement thats strong against your own therory..see claims of many suplliment makers is that this miracle stuff from the planet zoolou makes you recouperate faster heal faster the muscle tissues etc etc..soo the fighter of years ago fought 12 or more times a year did that and excelled without the benefit of that stuff but in your own words a fighter today not only takes months off from fighting but also from the difficult energy depleating negotiation process..with these suplliments that take time to heal...heal from what.inactivity..think about what you said..

Hey I partially agree with you. I agree that the fighters of today need to fight more often. At least 5 times a year for the top guys. But really I do believe that supplements help a great deal. There is no arguing that they make you stronger. I have a question Dmar. When you use to work out hard did you get sore?

sooner no i didnt get sore...now if i took 2 weeks off which i did a few times then yes.sore the next day for 2 workouts and then things went back to normal..the only suppliment i tried outside of a excellent vitamin was the amino acid combo of argentine then orintine spelling there.they were hyped and it did zero..years ago a fellow i knew well from my home town who owned a nutrition store and promoted 3 mr america contentest under the natural mr america title.he was also a judge at a few aau mr america contest run by bob hoffman.you had to pass a polygraph test proving you were steroid free for 5 years..well anyway he developed a suppliment..it was a huge horse pill with tons of vitamins minerals amino acid combination and that gingzu crap whatever it was called.it was almost impossible to digest and it gave me gas..after a month i said nope..thats all i ever took
now at that time joe weider was hyping like he already does a bunch of stuff.soo called natural steroids.lee haney at that time won his first mr olympia and i had a talk with him before the gym opened .he was guest poser that night at a body building contest and he was giving a seminar at the gym..i asked him about the products and he says he takes a few of them cause weider gives it to him free.he felt they were ok..he admitted he took roids and said if everyone stoped he would..the so called level playing field..he asked what i took..i said nothing and will never take anything..he was shocked cause i was much thicker in the chest sholders etc then he was.

yes at that time i did have 24 years behind me and noo crap..i did work out very heavy and mixed lighter weights in there too..a combination of testing to the limits both the fast twitch and slow twitch muscle fibers..
suplliments yes can help to a certain degree.if there natural products.dont fool yourself into thinking they are safe..im suprized you were foolish enough to use steroids..for what..ego.i can lift so and so..im a believer your lifting shit..its the drug..every person is different and each have there limits both in size and strenth providing everything is natural..
i use to work my way up in parralel squats from 135 on up adding the 45 lb plates.after 405 i did quater squats ..at 715 pounds.yep. many of the roid bodybuilders coulnt even lift it off the squat rack..well talk about cardio and leaving you breathless..i worked my way back down to 315 for half squats of 12-15 reps..when it got to that weight it seemed soo light you thought you could heave it up in a behind the nexk press.lol..a dozen sets was my only leg routine...
sorry to ramble but yes suppliments help..do they do the things you claim it does for fighters..absolkutely not...since you stated your cycling off the suppliments why..so toxcity dont happen..be leary of any suppliment that advises you its neccesary to cycle..its peds not a natural product or the dosage of stuff the natural stuff is far beyound the filtering process of the body..by the way scientists do not work developing this stuff..its chemists that do...i hope i ansered your question..be very cautious about the claims of saftey and its a natural product type of thing..life and hgealth are more important than ego..i say that cause your a friend..

if your getting sore sooner your overtraing i think and theres lots of lacktic acid buildup..if you train correctly you should not get sore.

dmar5143 wrote:

sooner no i didnt get sore...now if i took 2 weeks off which i did a few times then yes.sore the next day for 2 workouts and then things went back to normal..the only suppliment i tried outside of a excellent vitamin was the amino acid combo of argentine then orintine spelling there.they were hyped and it did zero..years ago a fellow i knew well from my home town who owned a nutrition store and promoted 3 mr america contentest under the natural mr america title.he was also a judge at a few aau mr america contest run by bob hoffman.you had to pass a polygraph test proving you were steroid free for 5 years..well anyway he developed a suppliment..it was a huge horse pill with tons of vitamins minerals amino acid combination and that gingzu crap whatever it was called.it was almost impossible to digest and it gave me gas..after a month i said nope..thats all i ever took
now at that time joe weider was hyping like he already does a bunch of stuff.soo called natural steroids.lee haney at that time won his first mr olympia and i had a talk with him before the gym opened .he was guest poser that night at a body building contest and he was giving a seminar at the gym..i asked him about the products and he says he takes a few of them cause weider gives it to him free.he felt they were ok..he admitted he took roids and said if everyone stoped he would..the so called level playing field..he asked what i took..i said nothing and will never take anything..he was shocked cause i was much thicker in the chest sholders etc then he was.

yes at that time i did have 24 years behind me and noo crap..i did work out very heavy and mixed lighter weights in there too..a combination of testing to the limits both the fast twitch and slow twitch muscle fibers..
suplliments yes can help to a certain degree.if there natural products.dont fool yourself into thinking they are safe..im suprized you were foolish enough to use steroids..for what..ego.i can lift so and so..im a believer your lifting shit..its the drug..every person is different and each have there limits both in size and strenth providing everything is natural..
i use to work my way up in parralel squats from 135 on up adding the 45 lb plates.after 405 i did quater squats ..at 715 pounds.yep. many of the roid bodybuilders coulnt even lift it off the squat rack..well talk about cardio and leaving you breathless..i worked my way back down to 315 for half squats of 12-15 reps..when it got to that weight it seemed soo light you thought you could heave it up in a behind the nexk press.lol..a dozen sets was my only leg routine...
sorry to ramble but yes suppliments help..do they do the things you claim it does for fighters..absolkutely not...since you stated your cycling off the suppliments why..so toxcity dont happen..be leary of any suppliment that advises you its neccesary to cycle..its peds not a natural product or the dosage of stuff the natural stuff is far beyound the filtering process of the body..by the way scientists do not work developing this stuff..its chemists that do...i hope i ansered your question..be very cautious about the claims of saftey and its a natural product type of thing..life and hgealth are more important than ego..i say that cause your a friend..

I have never used steriods. Did I type that somewhere. I have went without supplements and with supplements. Never have taken steriods. I am cycling off my supplements right now because that is what every trainer has told me to do. Every time I cycle off the stuff I get a little sore. I was just wondering if you got sore because of your background. I know that when I lifter without taking anything I couldnt lift but every third day because I was so sore. While on these supplements I can lift a muscle group every other day.

dmar5143 wrote:

if your getting sore sooner your overtraing i think and theres lots of lacktic acid buildup..if you train correctly you should not get sore.

I do need some advise on some workouts though. Can you help?

again sooner theres something wrong there where you cant work out except every third day without them..for the first several years i did the 3 time a week thing the last 20 years i did it 4 times a week..mon tues thursday and sat..working each muscle group twice a week..maybe i can help.whats your question.

dmar5143 wrote:

again sooner theres something wrong there where you cant work out except every third day without them..for the first several years i did the 3 time a week thing the last 20 years i did it 4 times a week..mon tues thursday and sat..working each muscle group twice a week..maybe i can help.whats your question.

I need to know if the workout I am doing is correct.

OK right now this is my workout:
Week 1 is 3 sets of 5
Week 2 is 3 sets of 8
Week 3 is 3 sets of 10
I lift the same weight all three weeks. then after third week I go up in weight and start over again.

OK also I lift legs and shoulders one day then the next day I lift chest, back and arms.

Right now my leg days are:
Squat
Leg extensions
Leg Curls
For my shoulders on these days:
Shrugs
Three way shoulders

ON the Arm Chest and Back day;
Bench
Either Incline or Decline Bench
2 different Arm Curls
2 different tricep workouts
Lat pulldown
Lawnmowers

This is the same workout I was on in high school. Its a version of bigger faster stronger.

ok..2 names im not familar with..3 way sholder and lawnmovers.your workout seems very simple and far from overexersising.every week you add weight ..it would seem you should most certainly reach a sticking point where you cant add weight and preform the 10 reps..5 yes..give me a call.its easier than my one finger typing..why the shugs.its a trapozizode exercise not a full sholder one..you want to attack all 3 heads of the deltoid..im at ..ok

dmar5143 wrote:

ok..2 names im not familar with..3 way sholder and lawnmovers.your workout seems very simple and far from overexersising.every week you add weight ..it would seem you should most certainly reach a sticking point where you cant add weight and preform the 10 reps..5 yes..give me a call.its easier than my one finger typing..why the shugs.its a trapozizode exercise not a full sholder one..you want to attack all 3 heads of the deltoid..im at ..ok

Ok I will call you tonight I am actually leaving right now Oh and I am deleating your number off of your post. OK?