Top Rank Conference Call with Bob Arum at 3:00am EST

well for example Ben Askren, he is a 4X NCAA all american wrestler who won a national title if I remember correctly, he turned pro in MMA lasty year

he basically can take anyone down he wants so he has worked on submission skills and keeping fighters down when he gets them there, his stand up is pretty bad but no one can keep it standing with him atleast so far (he has won 3 fights in a row vs top non current UFC fighters)

he will never forget world class wrestling so he can just build his base from there

I have watched hundreds of hours of MMA. I'm still a boxing purist.

As for alot of the stacked MMA PPVs, I have watched some that were stacked and some that were painful to watch. It is painful to watch when you have two fighters doing alot of standup and they both are rather mediocre at it. To me that is much more painful than almost any boxing match.

Well what did Mr Arum have to say ?

Btw good to see you back Marble, hope everything is ok.

its great for Marble to be back.

As for crazy uncle Arum: I didn't listen to the audio but the gist of what I read on boxingscene was (I believe a link to the audio was on boxingscene but after reading the article I was too ticked off to listen to it):
1- the deadline has passed
2-a fight with Mayweather can still happen (but he better step up in the next few days)
3-Arum is looking at Cotto and Margarito, and a fight has to be signed in the next 10 days or they will lose the November date
4- PW and Bradley aren't being considered as they can't sell damn ticket to save their lives, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!!!!


Yeah, I'm rather put off by this situation. Arum is full of shit.
Clottey couldn't sell a fucking ticket to save his life. He never could. He couldn't sell a PPV to save his life. The PPV that Manny did vs Clottey did 700,000 buys (or something like that), and maybe 1% of that was due to Clottey.

Does dipshit think we are dumb? Margarito and Cotto are two guys past it. he won't dare put Manny in there with the long PW or the dangerous Bradley.

So Manny could take on Clottey, who can't sell a ticket, but he can't take on PW or Bradley. Such BULLSHIT!!!! WHY DON'T YOU JUST TELL US YOU WILL ONLY MAKE FIGHTS WITH YOUR GUYS!!!

I would love for the first boxing writer to see Arum to tell him stop giving the fans a bowl of ice cream with shit in it and telling us that is chocolate syrup on top.

Mayweather needs to just step up and take this fight.

a big disappointment in the 3 ring circus..boxing fans got jerked off again..arum disgusts me with trying to think of valid excuses for floyd.the legal problems of roger have been known well before the negotiations took place.floyd has his father who can train him.roger can give advise and imput from his jail cell if it comes to that....arum was smart enough to not negotiate face to face and smart enough to keep quite in that period.he understood his shortcomings of his big mouth can kill a deal and that gag order reduced the bad blood between all...thats the only thing that was done right...now he leaves the door open for next year..why...to jerk everyone off again...
i wish the pac people told arum look forget margo..bring us numbers on bradley berto and yes cotto.and fast.anyone of thoses fights will not flop.they will crowd a million ppv buys..fight twice and your payday will approach what you can earn from the floyd fight..
throw aleaxander in the mix and thoses are pacs best options for 2 fights...
floyd has martinez paul williams and berto as options also but will not fight them..after a contract is signed with someone and if floyds silent still when that happens then just tell the world its over..there will never be a floyd fight..let him retire with his much loved 40-0 or fight some real challenges but manny is not an option.
pac and floyd can draw on there own merits and make big money fighting 2 competitive fights.for once show some prinicples here......the cotto fight offers one thing.another strap..the berto fight offers a welter unification fight...the bradley or alexander fights offer 2 undefeated fighters who are fresh not shop warn threw wars..all of thoses fights do 1-1.5 mill ppv and a sellout gate...move foward..let there be no next year as an option..floyds out...those are just my thoughts only..enough is enough.

Andre Berto should be an option !!! Bob Arum is a dinosaur.

It is simply impossible to defend Floyd and remain remotely credible at this point.

It is one of the really weird things I've ever seen in the sport. I can't see Floyd losing and yet he won't get in the ring? Just very strange.

Floyd won't get in the ring. Arum won't put anyone who isn't one of his boys other than Floyd in the ring, so we get stuck with a crappy PPV.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

It is simply impossible to defend Floyd and remain remotely credible at this point.

It is one of the really weird things I've ever seen in the sport. I can't see Floyd losing and yet he won't get in the ring? Just very strange.

He can see himself losing. You guys need to keep watching Pacquiao.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

It is simply impossible to defend Floyd and remain remotely credible at this point.

It is one of the really weird things I've ever seen in the sport. I can't see Floyd losing and yet he won't get in the ring? Just very strange.

The only possible thing I could see is that he's waiting on Roger's trial to see if Uncle is gonna spend some time in the clink. But the motherfucker could just say something. People might be a bit more apt to understand if he wants to see if his trainer is going to jail for a short stint.

Fuck em. Fuck Manny too for being a bitch in the first round of negotiations.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

I'm not sure it's even possible to be truly elite at more than one discipline. I mean how good a boxer can one become training that skill one hour a day when boxers are training it 3-4? The MMA guy has to have time and energy to train what? 4-6 distinct disciplines? Isn't it just the nature of MMA to be a jack of all trades master of none?

There are some guys out there that are masters of one discipline but with every fight they get more diverse. For the most part yea jack of all trades because the guys that are only good in one area can only get so far.


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Mayweather is scared and even his fans realize it now.

I believe Mayweather beats any welterweight out there: Pac, PW, Berto, etc.....

He has no desire to prove that.

I'm so sick of him. How is Miguel Cotto's opponent list over 35 months at 147 pounds more impressive than Floyd's??? Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Cotto a good fighter trying his hardest. Floyd a damn great fighter pissing time away.

captain cottos list over the last 3 years yes is far more impressive then floyds as far as opponents..cotto fought foreman pac -floyds ducking pac clottey margo when margo was the man mosley a much younger less shot shane and judah and a few other fights..floyd mosley a old inactive one marquez a old blown up 130 lder hatton and oscar...cotto takes risks floyd plays it safe..like you i think he could possibly beat all the fighters you mentioned.prove it..at least cotto and pac try to prove it..so do other fighters..
like you i cannot nor will not defend floyd for not fighting and his phoney reasons..i will defend his excellent abilty..he may fight 2 more times in his career..he will not prove what we like him to prove which is fight the very best and often...pac williams berto cotto for example in a 18 month span...

marbleheadmaui wrote:

I still think the limitation on MMA is the same as the decathlon. Decathletes are rarely, if ever, world elite in any one of the ten events. Instead they are very good at most of them. But if you want to see the best of the best? Watch sprinters, jumpers, throwers in their specialty. MMA is the same way. None of those guys are elite level boxers and wrestlers and jiu jitsu guys etc. Instead they might be elite at one and acceptable at the others. The best boxing, wrestling, jiu jitsu, karate etc is done by specialists.

I prefer watching the very best.

MMA is full of Judo champions, K-1 champs, Olympic medalists in greco roman wrestling, NCAA champions in wrestling, karate champions, BJJ champions, etc. I have know idea what you are talking about? It is a complete sport and some guys are champions in one area and train in others. What started out as a sport to find out which form of combat was the best, is now a hybrid sport of all forms of combat sports. Boxer and MMA strikers are totally different anyways.

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

I still think the limitation on MMA is the same as the decathlon. Decathletes are rarely, if ever, world elite in any one of the ten events. Instead they are very good at most of them. But if you want to see the best of the best? Watch sprinters, jumpers, throwers in their specialty. MMA is the same way. None of those guys are elite level boxers and wrestlers and jiu jitsu guys etc. Instead they might be elite at one and acceptable at the others. The best boxing, wrestling, jiu jitsu, karate etc is done by specialists.

I prefer watching the very best.

MMA is full of Judo champions, K-1 champs, Olympic medalists in greco roman wrestling, NCAA champions in wrestling, karate champions, BJJ champions, etc. I have know idea what you are talking about? It is a complete sport and some guys are champions in one area and train in others. What started out as a sport to find out which form of combat was the best, is now a hybrid sport of all forms of combat sports. Boxer and MMA strikers are totally different anyways.

Read much?

Marble, you couldn't resist.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

I still think the limitation on MMA is the same as the decathlon. Decathletes are rarely, if ever, world elite in any one of the ten events. Instead they are very good at most of them. But if you want to see the best of the best? Watch sprinters, jumpers, throwers in their specialty. MMA is the same way. None of those guys are elite level boxers and wrestlers and jiu jitsu guys etc. Instead they might be elite at one and acceptable at the others. The best boxing, wrestling, jiu jitsu, karate etc is done by specialists.

I prefer watching the very best.

MMA is full of Judo champions, K-1 champs, Olympic medalists in greco roman wrestling, NCAA champions in wrestling, karate champions, BJJ champions, etc. I have know idea what you are talking about? It is a complete sport and some guys are champions in one area and train in others. What started out as a sport to find out which form of combat was the best, is now a hybrid sport of all forms of combat sports. Boxer and MMA strikers are totally different anyways.

Read much?

My bad Marble I qouted the wrong person.