Lytle didn't win SOTN, but did get a bonus

Despite losing out on "Submission of the Night" to Brock Lesnar at UFC 116, the promotion awarded Chris Lytle a "significant" bonus for his slick submission over Matt Brown on July 3.
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got this from mmamania.com

Good for him he needs the dough way more than Brock!!!

Yeah, i thought it was ridiculous that Lesnar got submission of the night over him. Just because you were not expecting it does not mean it was slick. Carwin all but put wrapping paper on his arm for that...Lesnar would have been pathetic or simply uninterested not to achieve an arm triangle there.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Yeah, i thought it was ridiculous that Lesnar got submission of the night over him. Just because you were not expecting it does not mean it was slick. Carwin all but put wrapping paper on his arm for that...Lesnar would have been pathetic or simply uninterested not to achieve an arm triangle there.

Definitely agree!

Ya'll need to rewatch that fight. What I saw was Lesnar setting up something, even if he didn't know exactly what at first. He was in half guard, started moving for position, drove a few punches into Carwins ribs under the arm he was later working on. The he worked his other arm under Carwins head/neck. when Carwin went for the headlock to sit up and possibly scoot out is when Lesnar drove his shoulder down and put his head in position for the choke. He lockes his hands up behind the head/neck, and then he passed into the full mount and then into Side Control before he started turning the corner.

Go back and rewatch the fight, Kings and Tim.


As far as sub of the night I think a few things hurt Lytle there. for one he already subbed Brown like two years ago. For two there were 4 awesome subs that night in Romero/Petruzelli, Lesnar/Carwin, Leben/Akiyama, and Lytle/Brown. Lytle having Subbed brown two years ago and getting sub of the night last time he fought may have effected it, Leben subbing a Judo blackbelt like Akiyama also likely played a part. Plus Romero had a come from behind Submission win over Petruzelli.

Also, not only did no one expect Lesnar to win by submission, alot of people didn't even think it was physically possible to pull that off on a guy as big as Carwin.

LudoCain wrote:

Ya'll need to rewatch that fight. What I saw was Lesnar setting up something, even if he didn't know exactly what at first. He was in half guard, started moving for position, drove a few punches into Carwins ribs under the arm he was later working on. The he worked his other arm under Carwins head/neck. when Carwin went for the headlock to sit up and possibly scoot out is when Lesnar drove his shoulder down and put his head in position for the choke. He lockes his hands up behind the head/neck, and then he passed into the full mount and then into Side Control before he started turning the corner.

Go back and rewatch the fight, Kings and Tim.


As far as sub of the night I think a few things hurt Lytle there. for one he already subbed Brown like two years ago. For two there were 4 awesome subs that night in Romero/Petruzelli, Lesnar/Carwin, Leben/Akiyama, and Lytle/Brown. Lytle having Subbed brown two years ago and getting sub of the night last time he fought may have effected it, Leben subbing a Judo blackbelt like Akiyama also likely played a part. Plus Romero had a come from behind Submission win over Petruzelli.

Also, not only did no one expect Lesnar to win by submission, alot of people didn't even think it was physically possible to pull that off on a guy as big as Carwin.

I agree with what you said about how Lesnar set it up, but Carwin was either so tired he gave up and let it happen, or was so green he didn't know it was coming. I would have given it to Lytle over Lesanr if it was up to me. Glad he got a bonus for it though. A fight two years ago should in no way effect what happened that night. That is just unfair.

LudoCain wrote:

Ya'll need to rewatch that fight. What I saw was Lesnar setting up something, even if he didn't know exactly what at first. He was in half guard, started moving for position, drove a few punches into Carwins ribs under the arm he was later working on. The he worked his other arm under Carwins head/neck. when Carwin went for the headlock to sit up and possibly scoot out is when Lesnar drove his shoulder down and put his head in position for the choke. He lockes his hands up behind the head/neck, and then he passed into the full mount and then into Side Control before he started turning the corner.

Go back and rewatch the fight, Kings and Tim.


As far as sub of the night I think a few things hurt Lytle there. for one he already subbed Brown like two years ago. For two there were 4 awesome subs that night in Romero/Petruzelli, Lesnar/Carwin, Leben/Akiyama, and Lytle/Brown. Lytle having Subbed brown two years ago and getting sub of the night last time he fought may have effected it, Leben subbing a Judo blackbelt like Akiyama also likely played a part. Plus Romero had a come from behind Submission win over Petruzelli.

Also, not only did no one expect Lesnar to win by submission, alot of people didn't even think it was physically possible to pull that off on a guy as big as Carwin.

Ludo I think it was more of Carwin not knowing what to do on the ground more than Brock knowing exactly what to do on the ground.

I'm not saying Lytle didn't deserve it, I can simply understand why things went the way they did. Lytle had alot going against him for Sub of the Night. They like to give awards to the main Event whenever possible.

As far as Carwin not knowing it was coming or not knowing what to do on the ground goes; that doesn't mean Lesnar didn't set it up. To say he would have to be pathetic or uninterested not to take it is a gross and simple take on the situation in My opinion.

I dont think he knew what he had until it was locked in. he looked to be getting in position for some GNP and realized hay I think this guy may tap let me tighten it up alittle.

I think he knew full well what he had when he passed into side control. The arm triangle has become a tool used by many wrestlers of late simply because it's a position that comes naturally to them and to pull it off really doesn't require much technical submission skill. He may not have known exactly what he was going to do when he ended up in half guard but it is very clear he was working for something and when the arm triangle was there he took advantage of it.

LudoCain wrote:

I think he knew full well what he had when he passed into side control. The arm triangle has become a tool used by many wrestlers of late simply because it's a position that comes naturally to them and to pull it off really doesn't require much technical submission skill. He may not have known exactly what he was going to do when he ended up in half guard but it is very clear he was working for something and when the arm triangle was there he took advantage of it.

I agree it looked like he knew what he was doing but from his past fights and never really seeing him try a sub it was more or less a shock to me.

LudoCain wrote:

I'm not saying Lytle didn't deserve it, I can simply understand why things went the way they did. Lytle had alot going against him for Sub of the Night. They like to give awards to the main Event whenever possible.

As far as Carwin not knowing it was coming or not knowing what to do on the ground goes; that doesn't mean Lesnar didn't set it up. To say he would have to be pathetic or uninterested not to take it is a gross and simple take on the situation in My opinion.

I think Lesnar did great and had it in mind when they hit the ground. It was great for him and he executed it well. I just think Carwin was gassed and had no idea Lesnar was going for it until Lesnar was alrready in position. Lesnar set it up perfect when he started punching Carwin in the ribs. Carwin had no idea he was going for it. By the time Lesnar was in position, Carwin couldn't do anything but pass out. He didn't have the strength to get out either.

Carwin was absolutely useless on his back...I don't think it was lack of knowledge it was that Carwin was practically focusing on breathing at that point of the fight. The guy was done and he offered no defense. What Brock did was nothing special...it was a standard submission against an opponent so tired he had to go the hospital. I'm not calling it a fluke and i'm not saying it was void of technique but it's easy to accomplish when your opponent is pretty much a gassed out sparring dummy at that point.

but have it your way, the fact remains...no fucking way that was the best submission of the night. They gave it to him so they can hype that Brock won the fight by some spectacular submission and further build him up...and that is why they gave Lytle a bonus because guys luke Lytle and Leben were more than likely heated beyond belief when they found out Brock...who get's paid more than the entire card is getting bonus cash as well for some cookie cutter submission against somebody who all but taped a christmas card to his arm when somebody like Lytle pulled a submission you don't see on every card.

This isn't a surprise, they said after the card was over that a bunch of people on it were getting bonuses for their performances

have to give Kings a plus here. Carwin was gassed. The dude has been in MMA for a bit, he trains with a top notch team, if he's clueless off his back then we need to rethink who the top teams in MMA are. But it was obvious Carwin was gassed, Brock made the most of it.

As far as sub of the night, the extra non bonus cash goes to Lytle(and Leben could get a nod here as well though he made some nice cheese in 2 weeks time) because he earned sub of the night, but the UFC needed to slap a label on the biggest heavy weight fight in history(sarcasm) one week after Werdum gave the mma world the true sub of the year.

As much as I liked the slick movement of Brock, nothing is gonna beat "the Lytle" sub. That was badass!

hey lytles sub from a triangle to kimura/armbar was straight nasty the way he went so smoothly from one to another i still say he should have gotten s.o.t.n.