Boxing is getting hard to stomach

Canvas wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Yes of course it's all Carl's fault for not wanting to fight in Europe when he knows damn well he won't get a decision. Stop trying to make him into some sort of scapegoat, Kalle Sauerland agreed with Mick to stage the fight in Nottingham, it's Wilfred who's done a u-turn and is demanding it in Europe.

Ali, stop trying to spin doctor everything in favour of the UK fighter. They agreed to Europe. Hennessy mislead Froch. Froch will get just as fair a shot on the continent as AA will in England.

Froch actually said in the media that they should fight at (some venue in England, can't remember where exactly) and that would be neutral ground, as Froch is from Nottingham. What a clown.

Carl was promised the fight in Nottingham from his promoter who had agreed with Kalle Suaerland to stage it there, he's got every right to protest old man Wilfred demanding the fight in Germany.

This fight determines who's going to the next stage in the Super Six, I would be doing the same thing If I was Carl so I could get a fair decision.

So says Hennesy and Froch. That's not what the contract says.

So you've actually sat down and looked at the contract ? Kalle and Mick made a verbal agreement, it's Wilfred who's causing all the trouble.

Ali_1748 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Yes of course it's all Carl's fault for not wanting to fight in Europe when he knows damn well he won't get a decision. Stop trying to make him into some sort of scapegoat, Kalle Sauerland agreed with Mick to stage the fight in Nottingham, it's Wilfred who's done a u-turn and is demanding it in Europe.

Ali, stop trying to spin doctor everything in favour of the UK fighter. They agreed to Europe. Hennessy mislead Froch. Froch will get just as fair a shot on the continent as AA will in England.

Froch actually said in the media that they should fight at (some venue in England, can't remember where exactly) and that would be neutral ground, as Froch is from Nottingham. What a clown.

Carl was promised the fight in Nottingham from his promoter who had agreed with Kalle Suaerland to stage it there, he's got every right to protest old man Wilfred demanding the fight in Germany.

This fight determines who's going to the next stage in the Super Six, I would be doing the same thing If I was Carl so I could get a fair decision.

So says Hennesy and Froch. That's not what the contract says.

So you've actually sat down and looked at the contract ? Kalle and Mick made a verbal agreement, it's Wilfred who's causing all the trouble.

Have you ? Were you there when Sauerland and Hennessy came to this supposed verbal agreement, or do you parrot anything the UK press tells you as gospel truth ? Froch himself has admitted the language in the contract stipulates Europe, has also been reported by Rafael.

If froch and Hennessy really did have this "verbal agreement" (which I doubt) they are very stupid for not having it drawn into the contract.

Verbal agreement? LOL

its business, contracts are bottom line

Really Ali? Floyd vs Pac about blood testing???????

Canvas wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Yes of course it's all Carl's fault for not wanting to fight in Europe when he knows damn well he won't get a decision. Stop trying to make him into some sort of scapegoat, Kalle Sauerland agreed with Mick to stage the fight in Nottingham, it's Wilfred who's done a u-turn and is demanding it in Europe.

Ali, stop trying to spin doctor everything in favour of the UK fighter. They agreed to Europe. Hennessy mislead Froch. Froch will get just as fair a shot on the continent as AA will in England.

Froch actually said in the media that they should fight at (some venue in England, can't remember where exactly) and that would be neutral ground, as Froch is from Nottingham. What a clown.

Carl was promised the fight in Nottingham from his promoter who had agreed with Kalle Suaerland to stage it there, he's got every right to protest old man Wilfred demanding the fight in Germany.

This fight determines who's going to the next stage in the Super Six, I would be doing the same thing If I was Carl so I could get a fair decision.

So says Hennesy and Froch. That's not what the contract says.

So you've actually sat down and looked at the contract ? Kalle and Mick made a verbal agreement, it's Wilfred who's causing all the trouble.

Have you ? Were you there when Sauerland and Hennessy came to this supposed verbal agreement, or do you parrot anything the UK press tells you as gospel truth ? Froch himself has admitted the language in the contract stipulates Europe, has also been reported by Rafael.

If froch and Hennessy really did have this "verbal agreement" (which I doubt) they are very stupid for not having it drawn into the contract.

I don't read anything from the British press, no newspapers or websites. The contract says Europe but Mick and Kalle agreed to stage it in Nottingham, I see no reason as to why would make this up. Wilfred is a snake, this is the same man who got Sven Ottke all those ridiculous decisions in Germany !

It's very simple. The fight should go to the location that generates the most revenue. Hershman should preside over a sealed purse bid. Each promoter makes a one-off best offer of a guaranteed minimum.

Seeing as Froch isn't even broadcast on British domestic TV, I'm guessing Sauerland would win the bid.

Ali_1748 wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

MMA isn't perfect by any means but you don't get alot of the bs that you get in boxing. Champions have to fight contenders in MMA, they're not allowed to sit on their belt.

Ali MMA has the same problems as boxing. You cant get the two biggest draws to fight each other.

That's a one off, Fedor is part of a Russian company that insist on being allowed to co promote his fights.

Floyd vs Pac is the same as Fedor vs Brock. They cant get the promoters to make the fight happen.

It's not the same at all.

How? UFC is just a promotion company that ranks their own fighters. Dana and Fedors promoters could easily do a cross promotional fight but they wont. How in the hell is that different than Floyd vs Pac.

Because one is about blood testing and the other involves crooked Russian business men.

Blood testing are you fucking kidding? You believe that shit?

Either way its the same shit. Two promoters who cant get the job done.

The difference is MMA doesn't need that fight to happen like boxing needs Pac and fag boy to fight

right. keep telling yourself that.

What part isn't true

I don't want to get into a 'MMA is better than boxing' argument with you. You can go to one of the MMA threads to do that.

It's ludicrous to say the sport of boxing won't survive without Pac vs Mayweather. There is always another mega fight that comes along. There has been for 250 years, there always will be.

Would it be good for the sport to have a PPV global event that will easily draw 2.5 to 3 million buys? Of course. I'm not a MMA fan, but I'm confident the UFC would be pleased if they were able to present a PPV that would draw that kind of interest too. Does MMA need to have an event of that magnitude to continue on? of course not

Relax Canvas, bobbit is not going to start a MMA vs Boxing thing he's an avid boxing fan who's just sick of all the nonsense that goes on in the sport.

soonermark890 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

soonermark890 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

MMA isn't perfect by any means but you don't get alot of the bs that you get in boxing. Champions have to fight contenders in MMA, they're not allowed to sit on their belt.

Ali MMA has the same problems as boxing. You cant get the two biggest draws to fight each other.

That's a one off, Fedor is part of a Russian company that insist on being allowed to co promote his fights.

Floyd vs Pac is the same as Fedor vs Brock. They cant get the promoters to make the fight happen.

It's not the same at all.

How? UFC is just a promotion company that ranks their own fighters. Dana and Fedors promoters could easily do a cross promotional fight but they wont. How in the hell is that different than Floyd vs Pac.

Because one is about blood testing and the other involves crooked Russian business men.

Blood testing are you fucking kidding? You believe that shit?

Either way its the same shit. Two promoters who cant get the job done.

It's not the same at all, go and read up about Fedor and his M1 issue.

Canvas wrote:

I don't want to get into a 'MMA is better than boxing' argument with you. You can go to one of the MMA threads to do that.

It's ludicrous to say the sport of boxing won't survive without Pac vs Mayweather. There is always another mega fight that comes along. There has been for 250 years, there always will be.

Would it be good for the sport to have a PPV global event that will easily draw 2.5 to 3 million buys? Of course. I'm not a MMA fan, but I'm confident the UFC would be pleased if they were able to present a PPV that would draw that kind of interest too. Does MMA need to have an event of that magnitude to continue on? of course not

I never said it wouldn't survive without it, but its pretty much holding the mantle of the only fight casual fans care about at this point

Fair enough. I apologise if it seems I jumped all over you.

No problems my man. I love the sport a lot and it just worries me that when talking to any of my friends I could throw out the name Tim Bradley and receive nothing but blank stares but they would recognize the name of any fighter on the UFC roster. Maybe this is just my experience but boxing seems to be losing grasp on youths today. I don't know what the answer is...better marketing of fighters, enough of the stupid political shit keeping good fights from happening, etc but something has to change eventually

bobbitt15 wrote:

Canvas wrote:

I don't want to get into a 'MMA is better than boxing' argument with you. You can go to one of the MMA threads to do that.

It's ludicrous to say the sport of boxing won't survive without Pac vs Mayweather. There is always another mega fight that comes along. There has been for 250 years, there always will be.

Would it be good for the sport to have a PPV global event that will easily draw 2.5 to 3 million buys? Of course. I'm not a MMA fan, but I'm confident the UFC would be pleased if they were able to present a PPV that would draw that kind of interest too. Does MMA need to have an event of that magnitude to continue on? of course not

I never said it wouldn't survive without it, but its pretty much holding the mantle of the only fight casual fans care about at this point

You could say the same thing about Fedor vs Brock.

I've read the whole thread and a lot of people have made some very credible points. However, for boxing to return to form, he has to be regulated just like any other sport. The time has come. A champion should not have any choice in who he fights anymore than an NFL football team can decide who they meet in the playoffs. The Champion fights the top contenders. Also, we need to go back to one champion per division. This can only happen through regulation.

I think things are starting to shape themselves out...Martinez is staying at MW, Mosley will fight again, Cotto's back in play, Bradley and Alexander both have good fights lined up, I think it will be exciting to see how Judah returns, Dawson will have a fight, 126 is starting to pair off, I think someone will emerge from 135, a lot of fights can be made at 118, the Super 6 is starting to get serious...and I'm confident Pac-Floyd will get done for November. I think when it's all said and done 2010 is going to be a good year for the sport.

I think any closure on Pac-Floyd will be good for the sport even if it doesn't get made because a lot of guys are hanging around, hoping it falls apart, trying to get a fat check.

A new rating system would help the sport greatly. Casual fans need to know who the real world champion is. You can't have 6-8 fighters per division running around calling themselves the champion of the world.

Then the top contenders would be forced to fight one another to earn a title shot, rather than just fight a series of bums while they wait for a shot at one of the myriad of trinkets.

Boxing is surrounded by a bunch of greedy blood suckers (Promoters and managers) stealing from men that are taking physical punishment for a living. Promoters try to milk every fighter and thats now becoming a hge problem. Even fighters dont want to fight the best and would rather keep a title as hostage and make as much money as the can off of it.

I think it has always been this way and it wont ever change.

Diego408 wrote:

Boxing is surrounded by a bunch of greedy blood suckers (Promoters and managers) stealing from men that are taking physical punishment for a living. Promoters try to milk every fighter and thats now becoming a hge problem. Even fighters dont want to fight the best and would rather keep a title as hostage and make as much money as the can off of it.

I think it has always been this way and it wont ever change.

I wonder if these promoters offer some sort of retirement? That sounds like a dumb ass question but I wonder if they do?

to the fighters? No, they don't.