Bradley vs. Abregu

Very disappointed. You have good talent at 140 which will make for entertaining fights. Bradley, Alexander, Khan, and Maidana at the top. Peterson and Ortiz with a shot to join that group (though I'm not sure Vacillating Victor will ever get his mojo back).

So they match Bradley with Abregu at 147. A fight that does nothing for Bradley's career. Doesn't raise his profile. Doesn't build a fight at 140 that will make more money.

I'm rather confused. What is his management thinking (if anything at all)??

I thought Bradley would be a hardworking guy who'd want to unify Jr Welterweight, but it seems he's just like every other boxer, chasing paydays.

"Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao won't face me right now at 147, but who knows, that may change after this fight," said Bradley. "Like I said, my goal is to be the best at 140, but the options at 147 pounds are still out there. And if I have an opportunity to fight a big name, you better believe that I'm going to take it."

Manny has a couple of fights left. Bradley is not likely to be the dance partner.

As for him wanting to fight Floyd, that would be more likely. But to get that fight it would make sense to unify 140 first.

I said this the other day.

If Bradley is going to fight a welterweight, why not Collazo?

Abregu does nothing for him. At least Collazo could show he can handle a gatekeeper welterweight.

Collazo would give Bradley fits.
I think Bradley wants to beat a prospect (who is an okay fighter but shouldn't be a big threat to him). He seems to want to dip his toe in the 147 pool. I don't think he wants to stick his whole leg in at this point.

I personally do not think Bradley should be messing around at Welter.

What's the rush?

Abregu at 147 is quality. It's not Bradley's fault that the Maidana fight fell through or that his team didn't want Alexander yet.

Abregu is good, young and undefeated. Bradley's staying busy and testing the waters at 147. Nothing wrong with that. Other than Alexander who I get the feeling would fight anyone...people at 140 aren't really lining up to fight him.

captainanddew wrote:

Very disappointed. You have good talent at 140 which will make for entertaining fights. Bradley, Alexander, Khan, and Maidana at the top. Peterson and Ortiz with a shot to join that group (though I'm not sure Vacillating Victor will ever get his mojo back).

So they match Bradley with Abregu at 147. A fight that does nothing for Bradley's career. Doesn't raise his profile. Doesn't build a fight at 140 that will make more money.

I'm rather confused. What is his management thinking (if anything at all)??

I actually thought this was kind of smart. I thought he was getting in a fight at 147 to understand what his body was like there in anticipation of being in the mix to fight the winner of Manny-Floyd.

Am I just overthinking this one?

NBrooks5 wrote:

I said this the other day.

If Bradley is going to fight a welterweight, why not Collazo?

Abregu does nothing for him. At least Collazo could show he can handle a gatekeeper welterweight.

Luis Collazo has moved up to Jr Middleweight, he had the opportunity to face Aydin in a WBC Welterweight eliminator but declined claiming he could no longer make the weight.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

captainanddew wrote:

Very disappointed. You have good talent at 140 which will make for entertaining fights. Bradley, Alexander, Khan, and Maidana at the top. Peterson and Ortiz with a shot to join that group (though I'm not sure Vacillating Victor will ever get his mojo back).

So they match Bradley with Abregu at 147. A fight that does nothing for Bradley's career. Doesn't raise his profile. Doesn't build a fight at 140 that will make more money.

I'm rather confused. What is his management thinking (if anything at all)??

I actually thought this was kind of smart. I thought he was getting in a fight at 147 to understand what his body was like there in anticipation of being in the mix to fight the winner of Manny-Floyd.

Am I just overthinking this one?

But what happens if Abregu knocks him out cold ? those fights will disappear. The best way to lure Manny or Floyd would be by beating Khan and Alexander at 140lb, then he would be the undisputed Jr Welterweight champion.

Ali_1748 wrote:

NBrooks5 wrote:

I said this the other day.

If Bradley is going to fight a welterweight, why not Collazo?

Abregu does nothing for him. At least Collazo could show he can handle a gatekeeper welterweight.

Luis Collazo has moved up to Jr Middleweight, he had the opportunity to face Aydin in a WBC Welterweight eliminator but declined claiming he could no longer make the weight.

I thought he just didn't want to go overseas.

It's a good way for a promoter to take a strap hostage. Overbid on a purse bid. Would Collazo get a fair shake over there?

NBrooks5 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

NBrooks5 wrote:

I said this the other day.

If Bradley is going to fight a welterweight, why not Collazo?

Abregu does nothing for him. At least Collazo could show he can handle a gatekeeper welterweight.

Luis Collazo has moved up to Jr Middleweight, he had the opportunity to face Aydin in a WBC Welterweight eliminator but declined claiming he could no longer make the weight.

I thought he just didn't want to go overseas.

It's a good way for a promoter to take a strap hostage. Overbid on a purse bid. Would Collazo get a fair shake over there?

Probably not, but he turned down his only chance to secure a Andre Berto rematch.

Ali_1748 wrote:

NBrooks5 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

NBrooks5 wrote:

I said this the other day.

If Bradley is going to fight a welterweight, why not Collazo?

Abregu does nothing for him. At least Collazo could show he can handle a gatekeeper welterweight.

Luis Collazo has moved up to Jr Middleweight, he had the opportunity to face Aydin in a WBC Welterweight eliminator but declined claiming he could no longer make the weight.

I thought he just didn't want to go overseas.

It's a good way for a promoter to take a strap hostage. Overbid on a purse bid. Would Collazo get a fair shake over there?

Probably not, but he turned down his only chance to secure a Andre Berto rematch.

You're right on that point.

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

captainanddew wrote:

Very disappointed. You have good talent at 140 which will make for entertaining fights. Bradley, Alexander, Khan, and Maidana at the top. Peterson and Ortiz with a shot to join that group (though I'm not sure Vacillating Victor will ever get his mojo back).

So they match Bradley with Abregu at 147. A fight that does nothing for Bradley's career. Doesn't raise his profile. Doesn't build a fight at 140 that will make more money.

I'm rather confused. What is his management thinking (if anything at all)??

I actually thought this was kind of smart. I thought he was getting in a fight at 147 to understand what his body was like there in anticipation of being in the mix to fight the winner of Manny-Floyd.

Am I just overthinking this one?

But what happens if Abregu knocks him out cold ? those fights will disappear. The best way to lure Manny or Floyd would be by beating Khan and Alexander at 140lb, then he would be the undisputed Jr Welterweight champion.

Yeah but then Bradley doesn't find out what he's like at 147.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

captainanddew wrote:

Very disappointed. You have good talent at 140 which will make for entertaining fights. Bradley, Alexander, Khan, and Maidana at the top. Peterson and Ortiz with a shot to join that group (though I'm not sure Vacillating Victor will ever get his mojo back).

So they match Bradley with Abregu at 147. A fight that does nothing for Bradley's career. Doesn't raise his profile. Doesn't build a fight at 140 that will make more money.

I'm rather confused. What is his management thinking (if anything at all)??

I actually thought this was kind of smart. I thought he was getting in a fight at 147 to understand what his body was like there in anticipation of being in the mix to fight the winner of Manny-Floyd.

Am I just overthinking this one?

But what happens if Abregu knocks him out cold ? those fights will disappear. The best way to lure Manny or Floyd would be by beating Khan and Alexander at 140lb, then he would be the undisputed Jr Welterweight champion.

Yeah but then Bradley doesn't find out what he's like at 147.

Maybe, but look at his small frame, I don't like his chances north of 140lb. I do admire and respect his courage but he should channel it towards Devon Alexander, that's the fight everyone wants to see.

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

captainanddew wrote:

Very disappointed. You have good talent at 140 which will make for entertaining fights. Bradley, Alexander, Khan, and Maidana at the top. Peterson and Ortiz with a shot to join that group (though I'm not sure Vacillating Victor will ever get his mojo back).

So they match Bradley with Abregu at 147. A fight that does nothing for Bradley's career. Doesn't raise his profile. Doesn't build a fight at 140 that will make more money.

I'm rather confused. What is his management thinking (if anything at all)??

I actually thought this was kind of smart. I thought he was getting in a fight at 147 to understand what his body was like there in anticipation of being in the mix to fight the winner of Manny-Floyd.

Am I just overthinking this one?

But what happens if Abregu knocks him out cold ? those fights will disappear. The best way to lure Manny or Floyd would be by beating Khan and Alexander at 140lb, then he would be the undisputed Jr Welterweight champion.

Yeah but then Bradley doesn't find out what he's like at 147.

Maybe, but look at his small frame, I don't like his chances north of 140lb. I do admire and respect his courage but he should channel it towards Devon Alexander, that's the fight everyone wants to see.

I don't disagree with any of that.

I have no problem picturing Alexander at 147. He's built for it.

NBrooks5 wrote:

I have no problem picturing Alexander at 147. He's built for it.

Agreed, I could see Devon beating Berto .

It's an acceptable tune-up fight for Bradley, but I would like to see him focus at 140. I highly doubt Floyd or Manny will ever fight him, he's better of trying to clean house at 140, and if Floyd is still hanging around a few years from now (more likely he will be than Manny), he'll have a bigger name, leading to a bigger fight.

I still say have 4 man elimination tournament with Bradley, Alexander, Khan and Maidana, call it the "Fighting Four".

their just testing the waters

Ali_1748 wrote:

NBrooks5 wrote:

I have no problem picturing Alexander at 147. He's built for it.

Agreed, I could see Devon beating Berto .

I see a few guys at 140 that can go up weight and beat him. Berto is talented, but doesnt have anyone progressing him to the next level (pretty much what KP went through). Berto fights really ugly, I just dont know why he doesnt go and seek out a world class trainer.

"For an up and coming fighter it is very important to have a good match-maker, but this type of fight can make or break one, because it's a winnable fight for Bradley, but it has trap fight written all over it. Abregu presents everything that would be attractive to Bradley as a beatable opponent, (always open for the left-hook, can be hurt rather easily at times); yet he also encompasses everything that can make for a long night for Bradley as well (known to come on MUCH stronger after he gets up off the canvas, shows great resolve when faced with adversity). When you look at all of Abregu's challenges in the ring of the past, they all came from men who stood at least 5-9, with good range.

Timothy Bradley has a decent work rate, but being a first time welterweight at 5'6" with a 69inch reach, and a subpar KO ratio of 42%, I'm not sold on the notion that he has anything that will stop Abregu from landing his powershots. Abregu is a very good boxer, complete with good foot movement and a jab that he uses quite well. Bradley's pressure could result in a decision victory for him, but if the light punching Lamont Peterson was able to hurt Bradley to the body, Abregu's power will definitely prevent Bradley from swarming too much. Bradley has also been open for combination attacks at times. The telling moment will be when Abregu lands that patented left jab, followed by that jarring right cross. If it lands flush, Bradley will be hurt, and this would be the first time he finds himself in that position against a closer. The move to 147 IMO was to eventually setup a Mayweather or Pacquiao showdown. This is the type of fight that will either prove him to be on the path to such greatness, or it could be the type of fight that never allows him to get there..."

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