Is USADA really the best method?

I tried posting this link over there at the other site, and of course as expected, the flomos just ignored it.

Allegedly, Pacquiao is suspected of taking Human Growth Hormone which is only detectable through blood screening. There is a urine screening for HGH that is now being developed but I guess we'll have to wait. When was the last time USADA caught any athlete doping with HGH? They have screened literally tens of thousands over the last 8-10 years, what with the Olympics. Where are these HGH dopers? I see a lot of potheads (THC) but no HGH users.

Nevermind that HGH by itself is useless if not stacked with anabolic steroids (which are easily detected through urinalysis). Are the flomos just so caught up with Floyd that since he asked for the tests, it must be the best method? The NSAC has been busting athletes at a far better efficacy than USADA, and they do it in a far less intrusive way.


http://www.usantidoping.org/what-we-do/results-management/sanctions.aspx



http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1763598420080318

Joel_A wrote:

I tried posting this link over there at the other site, and of course as expected, the flomos just ignored it.

Allegedly, Pacquiao is suspected of taking Human Growth Hormone which is only detectable through blood screening. There is a urine screening for HGH that is now being developed but I guess we'll have to wait. When was the last time USADA caught any athlete doping with HGH? They have screened literally tens of thousands over the last 8-10 years, what with the Olympics. Where are these HGH dopers? I see a lot of potheads (THC) but no HGH users.

Nevermind that HGH by itself is useless if not stacked with anabolic steroids (which are easily detected through urinalysis). Are the flomos just so caught up with Floyd that since he asked for the tests, it must be the best method? The NSAC has been busting athletes at a far better efficacy than USADA, and they do it in a far less intrusive way.


http://www.usantidoping.org/what-we-do/results-management/sanctions.aspx



http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1763598420080318

Joel, you're preaching to the choir. I don't know about the history of the USADA and growth hormones, however Inside Sports (HBO. Bryant Gumbel) did a special on them and found them to be mostly imcompetetent in finding any drugs. Their presence is mostly an intrusion of privacy for the athlete and that's all. They'll be there to annoy the hell out of Manny and that's about it. This whole controversy should go through the NSAC. Anyway, at this point, I'd tell Manny to take these meaningless tests, but under the authority of the NSAC.

unforunetly most posters have there mind made up on either a testing issue or the guilt of a fighter without evidence..there litterly is over 100 differnt steroids and ped drugs.HGH is just one and yes when combined with another drug does work dispite this test report..just ask any competitive bodybuilder that has developed well beyound any genetic potential or god given human limits....boxing is not going to blood test at random every single fighter on every single card world wide.the expense will be prohibited .
what annoys me is several things.1. fredie roach is altomaticaly called by many posters indirectly a dope pusher cause he trains pac and one of his fighters failed testing.2. pac is guilty cause he wont take the test..he refused.well they ignore the fact that manny agreed to testings with a cutoff date and gave his reason why..3.hes afriad of needles but look at the tatooes..total ignorance and hatred for the man never said hes afraid of needles.
i worked out with weights and some heavy ones for over 25 years when i was younger.0.all natural outside of a multi vitamin pill.the gym i worked out at there was actualy 2 had several competitive bodybuilders..all took roids except 2..they talked about it openly with other bodybuilders...terms like stacking roids cycleing etc etc were common..
you just dont take them for 2 or 3 days and your turned into superman and mr universe..there cycled over a time frame.

i looked on the internet about 6 weeks ago researching the life span of peds in the system..they very of course..i read several articles..first about 95 percent of all steroids and peds etc etc can be detected by urine ONLY..the rest threw blood including HGH..the life span of all these in the blood stream varied..a huge vast majority stayed in the blood over 30 days some as much as 2 months..the next group the blood stream life span was a minimum of 2 weeks..leaving litterly a handfull whos life span in the blood was 7 days..there was NO ped that disappeared in 4 or 5 or 6 days.none.
pac for example agreed to random urine testing up untill and including the day of the fight...blood tests right after the fight one up untill 24 days and one other test ..3 in all..i think he and his folks would of moved that window up for a few more days.
lets examine that window..and pac agreeing ro random up untill that window which throws out his 3 blood tests only..he and his folks more than hinted or said ok to random tests up untill that window..that means that any testing done up untill the 21 days WILL detect peds..a test after the fight WILL detect all peds taken except 6 which has a 7 day window..you can toss out any peds with a 14 day window cause that gives only 7 days to take peds cycle them etc etc..come on now..theres no time to be effective..especialy given pacs weight of 145 lbs.overdosing is a danger..now the remaning 6 which gives a fighter a 14 day window 5 of them is used to put on muscle mass reduce body fat while gaining weight..gaining weight does not mean 3-5 lbs..none are used for strenth or endurance..that leaves a fighter with just 1 roid to use...since they have to be used in conjuction with another and its usage is for 13 days only..common.how effective will it be..the whole thing is PRand BS to gain a mental edge...pac claims and ill go along with his phobia that it weakens him for a few days..its a mental phobia folks.dont get me started on showing tons of folks that have one and how it effects them greatly.
given that can you see his concern or anyone else that has that phobia of the potentrial to be tested 2 or 3 times a week there fore destroying his training..
of course reasoning like this dont count..hes gulity..why dont he take the test UNDER floyds rules..he didnt refuse testing yet folks will ramble on that he did..unless you have a open mind on this issue and is not in love with floyd you can understand the reality of this stuff..if not the good lord can come down here and proclaim someone clean and he will be rejected in his proclamation..a close mind is a closed mind..

Most of the flomos just look at Floyd's demands a face value. It is really brilliant on floyd's part. It is a good move. You refuse to my demands, you'll look guilty. Out of all the mind games Floyd has done, this one has to be the best. It probably is his trump card.


Oh yeah, the Mayweather-Mosley promotions had to pay $20,000 to USADA to administer the tests. It's a great business deal for USADA if these tests ever get standardized. Problem is, who's shelling out the cash? Pac and May can afford this, but what about little Joe who just started his pro career?

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-mayweather-mosley-20100430,0,44910.story

lol 20 000 so to test just ONE entire card were talking over 100 000 easy...i just read elsewhere pac has agreeded to the 14 days providing in the last days a lot of blood isnt extracted..he just eliminated floyds wiggle room...the date hes looking for is nov 13..lets see if any other obsticles that are new comes up..

great. here we go...

Canvas wrote:

great. here we go...

Yeah, I commented but I kind of agree with Canvas. Let it go or we'll just recreate the ESPN board here. lol

dmar5143 wrote:

unforunetly most posters have there mind made up on either a testing issue or the guilt of a fighter without evidence..there litterly is over 100 differnt steroids and ped drugs.HGH is just one and yes when combined with another drug does work dispite this test report..just ask any competitive bodybuilder that has developed well beyound any genetic potential or god given human limits....boxing is not going to blood test at random every single fighter on every single card world wide.the expense will be prohibited .
what annoys me is several things.1. fredie roach is altomaticaly called by many posters indirectly a dope pusher cause he trains pac and one of his fighters failed testing.2. pac is guilty cause he wont take the test..he refused.well they ignore the fact that manny agreed to testings with a cutoff date and gave his reason why..3.hes afriad of needles but look at the tatooes..total ignorance and hatred for the man never said hes afraid of needles.
i worked out with weights and some heavy ones for over 25 years when i was younger.0.all natural outside of a multi vitamin pill.the gym i worked out at there was actualy 2 had several competitive bodybuilders..all took roids except 2..they talked about it openly with other bodybuilders...terms like stacking roids cycleing etc etc were common..
you just dont take them for 2 or 3 days and your turned into superman and mr universe..there cycled over a time frame.

i looked on the internet about 6 weeks ago researching the life span of peds in the system..they very of course..i read several articles..first about 95 percent of all steroids and peds etc etc can be detected by urine ONLY..the rest threw blood including HGH..the life span of all these in the blood stream varied..a huge vast majority stayed in the blood over 30 days some as much as 2 months..the next group the blood stream life span was a minimum of 2 weeks..leaving litterly a handfull whos life span in the blood was 7 days..there was NO ped that disappeared in 4 or 5 or 6 days.none.
pac for example agreed to random urine testing up untill and including the day of the fight...blood tests right after the fight one up untill 24 days and one other test ..3 in all..i think he and his folks would of moved that window up for a few more days.
lets examine that window..and pac agreeing ro random up untill that window which throws out his 3 blood tests only..he and his folks more than hinted or said ok to random tests up untill that window..that means that any testing done up untill the 21 days WILL detect peds..a test after the fight WILL detect all peds taken except 6 which has a 7 day window..you can toss out any peds with a 14 day window cause that gives only 7 days to take peds cycle them etc etc..come on now..theres no time to be effective..especialy given pacs weight of 145 lbs.overdosing is a danger..now the remaning 6 which gives a fighter a 14 day window 5 of them is used to put on muscle mass reduce body fat while gaining weight..gaining weight does not mean 3-5 lbs..none are used for strenth or endurance..that leaves a fighter with just 1 roid to use...since they have to be used in conjuction with another and its usage is for 13 days only..common.how effective will it be..the whole thing is PRand BS to gain a mental edge...pac claims and ill go along with his phobia that it weakens him for a few days..its a mental phobia folks.dont get me started on showing tons of folks that have one and how it effects them greatly.
given that can you see his concern or anyone else that has that phobia of the potentrial to be tested 2 or 3 times a week there fore destroying his training..
of course reasoning like this dont count..hes gulity..why dont he take the test UNDER floyds rules..he didnt refuse testing yet folks will ramble on that he did..unless you have a open mind on this issue and is not in love with floyd you can understand the reality of this stuff..if not the good lord can come down here and proclaim someone clean and he will be rejected in his proclamation..a close mind is a closed mind..

You have good points yet your petty little "in love with Floyd" comments show you have just as much bias and agenda as someone on the other side of the issue.

Would there be this much dissection and investigation of the issue if the roles were reversed and Manny was the one calling for testing? I doubt it. The fact that Floyd is a arrogant, unlikeable prick makes it a whole lot easier to doubt every little aspect of the testing procedure. If the lovable Manny was pulling for this, he'd be a hero.

And I am not saying I completely disagree with you, but if you (or anyone else) are trying to respectfully get your point across and maybe even get someone to see your point of view, simply drop the Floyd-lover/Flomo comments.

no not realy..there are many fans of floyd that are fair and resonable..same with pac fans..the ones that go to extremes i used the word lover..bad choice of words perhaps lets just say extremely overenthusiast on both sides..and by new obstiles i mean just that.from both sides including the promoters..if manny or pavik or anyone brought up the issue id say1.why2.its impossible or close to it to do every card including a fighter who takes a fight on a short notice like 10 days..its perhaps just not practical...im sorry that folks feel this is recreating a espn board.i thought i tried to present the issue with facts and reasoning..if thats creating the espn board then i apologize and shall remain silent in the future..

I apologize if this thread reeked of trolling but I trust that this forum will prevent that and so I was comfortable in making a thread about it.

I assume we have enough rational people in here that we can handle these 'hot button' topics.

dmar5143 wrote:

no not realy..there are many fans of floyd that are fair and resonable..same with pac fans..the ones that go to extremes i used the word lover..bad choice of words perhaps lets just say extremely overenthusiast on both sides..and by new obstiles i mean just that.from both sides including the promoters..if manny or pavik or anyone brought up the issue id say1.why2.its impossible or close to it to do every card including a fighter who takes a fight on a short notice like 10 days..its perhaps just not practical...im sorry that folks feel this is recreating a espn board.i thought i tried to present the issue with facts and reasoning..if thats creating the espn board then i apologize and shall remain silent in the future..

I edited and added one last sentence to my previous post to accurately convey what I was trying to get across.

to answer the question in this threads title: Yes.

Joel_A wrote:

I tried posting this link over there at the other site, and of course as expected, the flomos just ignored it.

Allegedly, Pacquiao is suspected of taking Human Growth Hormone which is only detectable through blood screening. There is a urine screening for HGH that is now being developed but I guess we'll have to wait. When was the last time USADA caught any athlete doping with HGH? They have screened literally tens of thousands over the last 8-10 years, what with the Olympics. Where are these HGH dopers? I see a lot of potheads (THC) but no HGH users.

Nevermind that HGH by itself is useless if not stacked with anabolic steroids (which are easily detected through urinalysis). Are the flomos just so caught up with Floyd that since he asked for the tests, it must be the best method? The NSAC has been busting athletes at a far better efficacy than USADA, and they do it in a far less intrusive way.


http://www.usantidoping.org/what-we-do/results-management/sanctions.aspx



http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1763598420080318

I am not at all convinced HGH is detectable nby ANY METHOD at all. In the last Olympics ONE person was caught using HGH. ONE! Now what is more likely, that only one person was using or the test is no good?

Joel_A wrote:

I apologize if this thread reeked of trolling but I trust that this forum will prevent that and so I was comfortable in making a thread about it.

I assume we have enough rational people in here that we can handle these 'hot button' topics.

I agree with this. The problem is NOT the topic. It is the morons. Far fewer morons here.

I don't see a problem with the thread, we can discuss this in a rational matter. It's an issue that's important for the future of boxing.

Yeah, I hope people didn't see me as being a douche on the topic, it could just do without the Flomo/Floydlover comments. It makes one come across as just as petty as the people who refuse to think rationally on the topic.