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Pinky not Clyde Newbie
Favorite Fighter(s) : Forrest Griffin, Kenny Florian, Lyoto Machida, Frank Mir Posts : 15 Join date : 2009-07-28
| Subject: Superfights Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:06 pm | |
| I think it would be interesting to have both belts on the line when two title-holders fight. The fight would happen at a catch-weight. You would have to get the fighters to agree that if they were to win they would have to defend the new title in their opponents respective weight. The way it's set up now one of the fighters goes into the fight with nothing to lose.
The biggest problem with this is if Silva were to hypothetically defeat GSP in this scenario he would then have to cut to 170 to defend the welterweight title. Same goes for all fighters in the higher weight class. Is that too much of a cut? What do you guys think? | |
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Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: Superfights Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:12 pm | |
| It would have to be a very specific matchup with 2 champions that have the ability to fight at 2 WC. It would be extremely difficult to find 2 champions that can both compete in both WC. I can't think of a single time that both Champions had the ability to compete in both WC. By some miracle if Rich Franklin ever got the LHW title while Anderson was still Champion or if BJ could ever get the WW title again. It would have to be a very very special situation. | |
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bobbitt15 Gold Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Chael Sonnen, Michael Chandler, Jorge Masvidal, Carlos Condit Posts : 14830 Join date : 2009-07-16 Age : 35 Location : Cincinnati
| Subject: Re: Superfights Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:34 pm | |
| Yeah can't see this happening as it would have to be very specific in terms of fighters | |
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Ziggy116 Black Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Rampage, Fedor, Gangster brothers, Aldo Posts : 3288 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 43 Location : Cedar Rapids
| Subject: Re: Superfights Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:51 pm | |
| It would be very difficult but I of course love the idea. Machida vs. Spider, get it done | |
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Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: Superfights Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:53 pm | |
| It would be a much better idea if MMA had more WC like boxing(not that many). I don't mind the idea of having a WC for every 10lbs like 155, 165, 175...ect. It would be much easier then. But right now MMA still doesn't have enough depth to do something like that. | |
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MikeyLikesIt White Belt
Posts : 97 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : Wisconsin
| Subject: Re: Superfights Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:01 pm | |
| This would never happen for the simple fact that the title holder would have to defend both weight classes and wouldn't get much time off if we want to see the defense every 3-4 months. We'd be waiting for 6-8 months per weight class to see a defense. | |
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Farmer1906 Gold Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Griffin, Franklin, Hendo, Sonnen, Wand, Lawler, Belfort, Pettis, Aldo, Mousasi Posts : 10222 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : Texas
| Subject: Re: Superfights Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:15 pm | |
| If it was every 10 pounds then you have guys like Penn with 155 and 165, GSP with 175, Anderson with 185 and 195, Machida with 205 and 225, and then Brock would have the big one.
So ultimately you still have the same champs but with more belts. | |
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Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: Superfights Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:24 pm | |
| - Farmer1906 wrote:
- If it was every 10 pounds then you have guys like Penn with 155 and 165, GSP with 175, Anderson with 185 and 195, Machida with 205 and 225, and then Brock would have the big one.
So ultimately you still have the same champs but with more belts. Yeah but then you would have guys like Wandy, Ace, Cain, even guys like Diego and Thiago Alves that can fit in someone in between where they are now and the next highest WC. I think it is a better idea for the future because right now there wouldn't be enough depth at each division. | |
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Wolfgangsta Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Conor McGregor, Machida, Jon Jones, Ronda Rousey Posts : 18955 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : USA
| Subject: Re: Superfights Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:11 pm | |
| MMA's weight classes are fine apart from needing a formal SHW division, and title fights should always be exactly at the title's weight, or they become meaningless. | |
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muayjitsu Purple Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Wand, Thiago Alves, BJ Penn, Cain, Vitor, Tito, SHOGUN Posts : 1300 Join date : 2009-07-18 Age : 39 Location : TEJAS
| Subject: Re: Superfights Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:58 am | |
| Yeah your trying to turn this into boxing. Please don't do that. Boxing is one of the greatest sports ever but the water down their product with to many belts and weight classes. | |
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Pinky not Clyde Newbie
Favorite Fighter(s) : Forrest Griffin, Kenny Florian, Lyoto Machida, Frank Mir Posts : 15 Join date : 2009-07-28
| Subject: Re: Superfights Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:42 pm | |
| - muayjitsu wrote:
- Yeah your trying to turn this into boxing. Please don't do that. Boxing is one of the greatest sports ever but the water down their product with to many belts and weight classes.
I just don't like the way it's set up now where one title holder goes in with nothing to lose, and everything to gain. A good way to avoid this is to do exactly what they're doing with Anderson Silva. He's been working his way up the LH ladder, and if he were to eventually earn a shot at the LH title a loss would essentially move him down that ladder. What if they created some "catch-weight" title that can only be earned by the winner of two dominating title holders that just need to fight for competition/to see who's better? Not so much a title that you can lose, but a mark on their career like a resume booster... "two time cw170-185 champion". That way both fighters retain their title and don't have to work their way up the other weight classes respective ladder. | |
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muayjitsu Purple Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Wand, Thiago Alves, BJ Penn, Cain, Vitor, Tito, SHOGUN Posts : 1300 Join date : 2009-07-18 Age : 39 Location : TEJAS
| Subject: Re: Superfights Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:24 am | |
| Hmm i just to see it that way. The fighter moving up in weight should have every right to get a shot at that mans belt. He is fighting above his weight class and if he has a legit reason to be a championship contender he should be fighting for the belt. | |
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Bigs03 Black Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Fedor and GSP Posts : 3124 Join date : 2009-07-16 Age : 44 Location : Houston, TX
| Subject: Re: Superfights Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:34 am | |
| Yeah I agree with Wolfy here, when a belt is on the line it needs to be at that exact weight. You can't just throw two belts on the line if two champs are fighting at a catch weight. Catch weight superfights are the best if you ask me, though. If Anderson and GSP fought at 177.5 they could see who's the man and then they could both go back and defend their belts. No harm done except in the p4p rankings. That's how it should be done. | |
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