I don't consider Mo or Mousasi to be top 10 LHW...objections?

Before I give my rankings and risk getting questioned for it. I do not consider either Mo or Mousasi to be top 10 LHW. I did not have either guy in my top 10 before this fight and see no reason why I should add them now. Do I have any objections to that? I saw that all 3 of the people who have already voted had both in the top 10. But alteast 2 of you have both guys in the lower part of your top 10.

We're all entitled to our opinions... As messed up as some of yours might be...

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

We're all entitled to our opinions... As messed up as some of yours might be...

ha ha but is this one really that far out there? I see you have Mo at 8 and Mousasi at 10. Could you really argue with someone not putting them in the top 10?

Sure, i disagree...but if you didnt have Mousasi in your top 10 before, then atleast your rankings are consistent as in the minority as they may be. They are your rankings, so call it as you see it.

I do. I compare my WW rankings to others sometimes and it's usually 50% opposite.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

We're all entitled to our opinions... As messed up as some of yours might be...

ha ha but is this one really that far out there? I see you have Mo at 8 and Mousasi at 10. Could you really argue with someone not putting them in the top 10?

Nope, if they really think there are 10 guys out there that could take down both. I personally do not right now...

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

We're all entitled to our opinions... As messed up as some of yours might be...

ha ha but is this one really that far out there? I see you have Mo at 8 and Mousasi at 10. Could you really argue with someone not putting them in the top 10?

Nope, if they really think there are 10 guys out there that could take down both. I personally do not right now...

If Jon Jones fought Mousasi....who would your money be on? What about Bader vs Mo? Just curious to how you see those fights going.

I think Mousasi is smart enough to see the poor planning he had against Mo and make changes. The only thing those guys have over him is wrestling... His weakest area. He can (and I hope he does) spend much more time on working with his wrestling and takedown defense. If he learns to defend takedowns, how are these guys going to beat him? If Mo didn't lay on him, how was he going to beat him? Plus my rankings aren't solely based on what-if's (Can't be since due to match-up issues, A can likely beat B, B can likely beat C and C can likely beat A) but resume has to come in... Neither's resume comes close. Mo is ahead of him due to the head to head fight... I put him ahead of Rich because I think that would be a terrible match-up. Mo in my opinion isn't up there with the true UFC elite, though I would likely take him over Forrest head to head at this point...

Honestly I only put them in there because I couldn't think of anyone else deserving of a top ten spot in the division. If I had thought of someone else that could realisticly be in thier place I would have gone with that but the only name that came to mind was Randy Couture, it's been slow for Light Heavyweights lately.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

We're all entitled to our opinions... As messed up as some of yours might be...

ha ha but is this one really that far out there? I see you have Mo at 8 and Mousasi at 10. Could you really argue with someone not putting them in the top 10?

Nope, if they really think there are 10 guys out there that could take down both. I personally do not right now...

If Jon Jones fought Mousasi....who would your money be on? What about Bader vs Mo? Just curious to how you see those fights going.

I have Jones ranked ahead of Gegard and i think Mo beats Bader. I don't see what all the Bader fuss is about.

So he knocked out Jardine. Take a fuckin number.

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

I think Mousasi is smart enough to see the poor planning he had against Mo and make changes. The only thing those guys have over him is wrestling... His weakest area. He can (and I hope he does) spend much more time on working with his wrestling and takedown defense. If he learns to defend takedowns, how are these guys going to beat him? If Mo didn't lay on him, how was he going to beat him? Plus my rankings aren't solely based on what-if's (Can't be since due to match-up issues, A can likely beat B, B can likely beat C and C can likely beat A) but resume has to come in... Neither's resume comes close. Mo is ahead of him due to the head to head fight... I put him ahead of Rich because I think that would be a terrible match-up. Mo in my opinion isn't up there with the true UFC elite, though I would likely take him over Forrest head to head at this point...

I'm not saying that is how I will base my rankings, just curious to what you answers were to that question. I think everyone would agree that both guys still have plenty to prove at LHW before this fight. I never considered either guy to be top 10 and after watching the fight I feel even better about that. I want to see them fight Jardine, Cane, Bader, Vera kind of guys more then ever now. I still don't know where they would fall but I feel even better about not putting them in my top 10 then I did before the fight.

I wouldn't object to them being outside the top ten, I just couldn't find anyone else to put there is all.

your honor I object

I have Mo at 8 and Mousasi at 10

Yeah both are top 10 and Gregard will be back. The guy is legit and didn't plan well against a top wrestler. He is young and is one of the best future prospects in the biz.

I have Mo at 9 and Mousasi out of the rankings

I will also not have Jake Shields in the top 5 at MW like it seems everyone who has voted is doing now. I will however move him up in the WW rankings, but still not even as high at WW as some of you have him at MW. I'm not giving him that big of a leap.

I have both in my top ten. I have Bader and Jones in my top ten as well.


They have been winning fights recently, where as other guys you're used to seeing on these lists have not. Forrest hasn't won a meaningful fight since he beat Rampage like two years ago. He has suffered back to back KTFO's then barely scraped by the possibly injured and very rusty Ortiz, and largely thanks to Ortiz fading in the third. In light of the rest of the division's movement I see no reason to keep Forrest there out of "respect" or whatever. When was the last ranked fight Rich Franklin has won in this weight class? Not ranking him either. Luiz Cane was top ten for a while, but got KTFO'd by his first name opponent badly.

Lots of room for fresh faces in this division.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

I will also not have Jake Shields in the top 5 at MW like it seems everyone who has voted is doing now. I will however move him up in the WW rankings, but still not even as high at WW as some of you have him at MW. I'm not giving him that big of a leap.

See this is where you get confusing. Shields biggest wins have come against middleweights. Dan Henderson, Yushin Okami, Robbie Lawler, Jason Miller. You don't go ranking him in a different weight class when he's truly making his name at another weight class just because you don't think "he's true to that weight class". He has big wins at WW over Daley, Condit, Mach, Thompson as well but the guy is #2 or #3 at MW based on who he's beaten in that class. Sonnen at the moment has a decent arguement to be #2 but Shields has the better win over anybody below Anderson Silva at MW yet you don't even have him in the top 5? When having him anywhere below #3 can't be justified without looking like you have shit for brains.

You're trippin.

Ya sooners is just on some goofy freebased cocaine that the UFC puts out there laced with Strikeforce hateraid.

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LHW
Machida
Shogun
Evans
Rampage
Forrest
lil Nog
Jon Jones
Hendo
Thiago Silva
Rich Franklin

Here is this guy's last LHW ranking. Won't stick Mo on there, even though he has Hendo on here, who just lost to a guy who doesn't even deserve to be ranked at MW since he is a natural WW. You sure you don't want to make any changes?

Franklin's last two true LHW wins were Ken Shamrock and Matt Hamill. He really deserve to be in the top ten divisional rankings?

Jon Jones looks that much better than Mo to you somehow sooners?

I mean, i could understand a little why somebody would attempt to make the arguement against Mo and Mousasi, i would disagree but i would be open to debate about it without thinking any less of the poster..but nobody active in the middleweight class has more notable wins over top middleweights than Jake Shields EXCEPT for Anderson Silva and depending on how you compare Nate vs. Henderson... a very good arguement can be made for Chael Sonnen. Logically, 2-3 is all the space you get with Jake Shields right now. If you don't even have him top 5, then i suggest you rush to the ER and say goodbye to your credibility before it flatlines.

Well looking at the rankings now a couple people have him at 5 or lower don't I don't see what the big deal is sticking him in the 5-7 range. I saw atleast a couple people had him at 6th or 7th. Hendo didn't look like the #2 MW in the world on Saturday and I think it had to do with more then just Jake Shields. I think plenty of people would agree that guy out there was not the #2 MW in the world.

Not ridiculous at all Sooners

LA and SOONERS - never had you two pegged as irrational Strikeforce hating crazies. Bad sign.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

LA and SOONERS - never had you two pegged as irrational Strikeforce hating crazies. Bad sign.

How is calling Shields the #6 MW hating on Strikeforce? How is still not buying Mo or Mousasi after seeing them both fight multiple times still hating on Strikeforce? IMO both Nick and Jake could compete for the WW Championship in the UFC. I think they have a much better shot at GSP then most people do. I just don't see him doing well vs the top UFC MW right now, I still say the same about GSP at MW and some agree, some don't. I don't think calling Jake the #6 MW and Mo and Mousasi as the #11 and 12 guys at LHW is really that far out there. Looking at other people's ranking they would only be about 2 spots below where others see them. I could make a list of LHW and leave off Mo and Mousasi and still have everyone on my list be on atleast 1 other person's list.