SEC vs Big Ten

I will do my best Birdofthad impression to resolve this

Regret claims that Ohio State as God’s gift to football, and also claims the Big Ten is superior to the SEC. He boasted that Ohio State would beat every team in the SEC. He also said the Big Ten has a better than .500 record against the SEC. On an OSU site I read that the Big Ten has a 95-88-7 advantage over the SEC. Which is probably the same garbage the Regret read. The SEC claims that they have a 68-51-2 advantage. Who's right?

So a little background on the SEC, It was formed in 1932 as the first big-time football conference in the deep south. Before that football was largely undeveloped in the south. Before 1932 the only two football powers in the south were Alabama and Tennessee who were in the Southern Conference. Many members of the Southern Conference no longer play big time football (i.e. Sewanee). The Southern Conference didn't morph in the SEC; in fact the Southern Conference is still in existence. Teams like Chattanooga play in it. The formation of the SEC was almost solely responsible for the growth of quality football in the south

I went to http://football.stassen.com/ to find the truth. All searches were from 1932 to 2009. I searched all teams in the SEC even teams no longer in the SEC. Searches for Arkansas and South Carolina were from 1991 to 2009 because before that South Carolina was in the ACC and Arkansas was from the Southwest Conference. Below are results of SEC teams while they were in the SEC against Big Ten teams while they were in the Big Ten. Big Ten homers try to take credit for PSU's success. Keep in mind most of their success came when they were independent. It would be like the Vatican claiming credit for Notre Dame's titles. Very misleading. Let’s look at the results:

1. Florida (8-4) vs. Big Ten (5-4) in Bowl games against the Big Ten and 1-0 vs. Ohio State

2. Vanderbilt (5-5-1) vs. Big Ten; (0-0) in Bowl games against the Big Ten (yes Vandy is .500 against the Big Ten, pathetic huh?)

3. Ole Miss (0-2) vs. Big Ten; (0-1) in Bowl games against the Big Ten (shame on you Eli and Archie)

4. Tennessee (8-4) vs. Big Ten; (8-4) in Bowl games against the Big Ten and 1-0 vs. Ohio State (shame on you baby Peyton)

5. Georgia (8-1) vs. Big Ten; (7-0) in Bowl games against the Big Ten and 1-0 vs. Ohio State

6. Bamer (5-3) vs Big Ten; (4-3) in Bowl games against the Big Ten and 3-0 vs Ohio State

7. LSU (6-4-1) vs Big Ten; (3-2) in Bowl games against the Big Ten and 1-0 vs Ohio State

8. Miss State (1-1) vs Big Ten (0-0) in Bowl games against the Big Ten

9. Auburn (6-3) vs Big Ten; (6-3)in Bowl games against the Big Ten and 1-0 vs Ohio State

10. Kentucky (16-16) vs Big Ten; (1-1) in Bowl games against the Big Ten (on going series with IU, their cousin from the Big Ten)

11. *S. Car (3-2) vs Big Ten; (2-2) in Bowl games against the Big Ten and 2-0 vs Ohio State (really Ohio State?)

12. *Arkansas (0-3) vs Big Ten; (0-3) in Bowl games against the Big Ten (shame on you Bill Clinton)

13. *G. Tech (0-1) vs. Big Ten; (0-0) in Bowl games against the Big Ten

14. *Tulane (2-2) vs. Big Ten; (0-0) in Bowl games against the Big Ten

15. *Sewanee (0-0) vs. Big Ten (0-0) in Bowl games against the Big Ten (yes this team was in the SEC)

All time: 68-51-2 in favor of the the SEC

Bowls: 36-23 in favor of the SEC

*S. Carolina (1991-2009) Arkansas (1991-2009) G Tech (1932-1964) Tulane (1932-1966) Sewanee (1932-1940)
All other teams (1932-2009)

Only Mississippi and Arkansas have a losing record against the Big 10 going from the SEC's inception in 1932 (Ark 1991) on. Bamer is the only other school to have a better record against other SEC schools than against the Big Ten.

The Big Ten conference was founded in 1896. Ohio State joined in 1912. Michigan State in 1953. PSU in 1993.

The Big Ten apologists run everything together. For instance, Chicago beat Sewanee in 1901, this counts as a win for the big ten and a loss for the SEC in their book even though the SEC didn't come along for another 31 years. Pretty misleading eh? It would be like blaming Nixon for 9/11. Why should the SEC be docked because South Carolina lost games to the Big Ten when they were a member of the ACC? Just being in the SEC means recuiting will be easier and inprovement comes from beating better comp.

Michigan is the only team with any prolonged success against the SEC with a record of 12-4. So props to Michigan. Hail to the victors indeed! Bravo Rich Rod. Jk. Regret prolly doesn't like that fact.

If people want to argue about big 12 vs. SEC that’s fine. Got a lot of respect for the quality of football played in the Big 12. Texas and OU are two of the most historic programs in history. Lots of National Championships between those two. Nebraska too.

Big Ten? Not so much. And sense Ohio State and Michigan both have a losing record in bowl games I would argue the Big Ten has always been vastly overvalued. The Big Ten were the best when there was no one else around. Kinda like saying a typewriter is better than a computer.

Losing 44-14 to Florida is just a game. Going 0-9 over 30 years or so, is a pattern

Regret, go ahead and run these numbers is you want. Just because you say the Big Ten is +.500 does not mean they are. But hey atleast Ohio State beat Vanderbilt in 1933.

And whats more startling is that teams like Tennessee, Georga, LSU, and Auburn who never play Big Ten teams unless it's a bowl game actually have a better winning percentage against the Big Ten than the do over SEC voes. One would think this would be reversed, sense better teams are supposed to bowls rather than in league play.

Tennessee only has 4 National Titles...get knowledge.

http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-footbl/fball-history/fb-history-nationalchamps.html

These things are debatable I guess. OSU's too

Says the UT fan site.

Well OU and Nortre Dame claim a thousand NCs too. And that isn't a fan site. Its owned by the University of Tennessee.

ohiovol62 wrote:

Well OU and Nortre Dame claim a thousand NCs too. And that isn't a fan site. Its owned by the University of Tennessee.

Go take a look at my other thread, that is as accurate as it comes man, I spent a couple hours researching that stuff, add 1 to Bama's # of titles though because I think I made that thread before Bama won this last one.

NoRegret wrote:

ohiovol62 wrote:

Well OU and Nortre Dame claim a thousand NCs too. And that isn't a fan site. Its owned by the University of Tennessee.

Go take a look at my other thread, that is as accurate as it comes man, I spent a couple hours researching that stuff, add 1 to Bama's # of titles though because I think I made that thread before Bama won this last one.

Your fandom is honorable but most of the Big Ten's accalades are cuz of UM, the most historic program in history.

Sir it's been fun. I love healthy debate but this one is over and I need to get some actual work done while I'm at work.

ohiovol62 wrote:

NoRegret wrote:

ohiovol62 wrote:

Well OU and Nortre Dame claim a thousand NCs too. And that isn't a fan site. Its owned by the University of Tennessee.

Go take a look at my other thread, that is as accurate as it comes man, I spent a couple hours researching that stuff, add 1 to Bama's # of titles though because I think I made that thread before Bama won this last one.

Your fandom is honorable but most of the Big Ten's accalades are cuz of UM, the most historic program in history.

I was born and raised in scarlet and grey.

UM has the same amount of National Titles, but I cant say they dont have a slight edge in the historical category, but not by much.

^^^ talk of a homer osu fan right there folks he is in denial.

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josh200612 wrote:

^^^ talk of a homer osu fan right there folks he is in denial.

Says the misfit Michigan fan from Columbus! hahaha!

As you have been in denial the last two years in a row about your team beating my team hahaha...next year...expect more of my Buckeyes beating you...and the year after that, and then who knows...maybe you will have a new coach again and a new system that will take another 3-4 years to re-recruit for which will further continue our streak and I will continue to be in bliss =)

michigan is still in the lead and im not in denial i know they suck right now but i still love them. dont worry michigan will be back sometime they cant suck forever and osu is not even that good they might get an at large bid if that maybe rose bowl again but you wont win a national championship if you go you will get spanked. nevermind i dont want to talk about football till april 17th.

but you are a HUGE HOMER im not even that bad i just fuck around sometimes but you are serious lol. its cool though im used to it cause thats how most osu fans are around here your not as bad as this one guy i work with WOW ill have to share some stories about what he has said about the bengals and osu you will crack up and dude really believes himself.