Ultimate Fedor thread.

A better question to ask is who is or has successfully fought better competition at HW lately?

redvexx8 wrote:

Your opinion that Fedor is not fighting the best competition is inaccurate and my posts above objectively depict that.

He is fighting the best competition more so than any other HW currently or of all time.

Well your faith in your belief is understandable. I, however, disagree.

GDPofDRC wrote:

A better question to ask is who is or has successfully fought better competition at HW lately?

Lets see

Fedor
beat Rogers (Top 10 HW)
beat Arlovski (Top 3 HW)
beat Sylvia (Top 5 HW)

Was slated to face the #2 ranked HW at the time in Barnett

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Lesnar
beat Mir (Top 5)
beat Couture (Top 5/10 HW but was 46yr old with a 50 pound weight disadvantage)
beat Herring (Not even a top 15 HW plus he didnt make it past round 1 with Fedor)

Was slated to face Carwin

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Mir
beat Kongo
loss to Lesnar
beat Nog ( A guy Fedor already beat twice)

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Cain
beat Nog (Fedor beat him in his prime at his own game the guard.)
beat Rothwell (Not even top 15 HW that already got destroyed by Arlovski)
beat Kongo

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Andrew the Raider King wrote:

redvexx8 wrote:

Your opinion that
Fedor is not fighting the best competition is inaccurate and my posts
above objectively depict that.

He is fighting the best competition more so than any other HW currently or of all time.

Well your faith in your belief is understandable. I, however, disagree.

Disagree all you want but its not just my belief its fact.


But hey, don't just take my word for it.


MMAWeekly rankings, going into Fedor-Rogers:

Below are the current MMAWeekly World MMA Rankings, which are up-to-date as of Oct. 28.

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HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (over 205 pounds)

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko

2. Brock Lesnar

3. Frank Mir

4. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

5. Cain Velasquez

6. Randy Couture

7. Junior Dos Santos

8. Brett Rogers

9. Andrei Arlovski

10. Shane Carwin

(http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=9876)


Sherdog rankings, going into Fedor-Rogers:

Heavyweight

1. Fedor Emelianenko (30-1, 1 NC) ...

2. Brock Lesnar (4-1) ...

3. Josh Barnett (24-5) ...

4. Frank Mir (12-4) ...

5. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-5-1, 1 NC) ...

6. Brett Rogers (10-0) ...

7. Andrei Arlovski (15-7) ...

8. Junior dos Santos (9-1) ...

9. Cain Velasquez (7-0) ...

10. Shane Carwin (11-0) ...

(http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/2/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-20584)


Bloodyelbow Consensus Rankings, going into Fedor-Rogers:

Rank Fighter % Promotion Last Rank
1 Fedor Emelianenko 100 M-1Global/Strikeforce 1
2 Brock Lesnar 96 UFC 2
3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 88 UFC 3
4 Frank Mir 87 UFC 4
5 Josh Barnett 71 WVR 5
6 Shane Carwin 71 UFC 7
7 Junior dos Santos 70 UFC 6
8 Brett Rogers 67 Strikeforce 8
9 Randy Couture 65 UFC 8
10 Andrei Arlovski 51 ??? 10

(http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/10/28/1102018/usat-sbn-october-mma-consensus)


MMAFighting rankings, going into Fedor-Rogers:

Heavyweights
1: Fedor Emelianenko
2: Brock Lesnar
3: Frank Mir
4: Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
5: Junior Dos Santos
6: Randy Couture
7: Josh Barnett
8: Brett Rogers
9: Andrei Arlovski
10: Shane Carwin

(http://mmafighting.com/rankings/2009/09)


Full Contact Fighter rankings, going into Fedor-Rogers:

HEAVYWEIGHT (205-264.9 LBS)

1 Fedor Emelianenko
2 Josh Barnett
3 Brock Lesnar
4 Frank Mir
5 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
6 Randy Couture
7 Brett Rogers
8 Andrei Arlovski
9 Junior dos Santos
10 Fabricio Werdum
11 Shane Carwin
12 Cain Velasquez
13 Gabriel Gonzaga
14 Cheick Kongo
15 Mirko Filipovic

(http://www.fcfighter.com/ranking)


Sports Illustrated rankings, going into Fedor-Rogers:

Heavyweight

1. Fedor Emelianenko (30-1, 1 NC)
2. Brock Lesnar (4-1)
3. Josh Barnett (24-5)
4. Frank Mir (12-4)
5. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-5-1, 1 NC)
6. Alistair Overeem (31-11, 1 NC)
7. Shane Carwin (11-0)
8. Brett Rogers (10-0)
9. Junior dos Santos (9-1)
10. Cain Velasquez (7-0)

(http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/josh_gross/10/28/rankings.mma/index.html)


MMANews rankings, going into Fedor-Rogers:

HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (up to 265 LBS.)

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Josh Barnett
3. Brock Lesnar
4. Frank Mir
5. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
6. Randy Couture
7. Brett Rogers
8. Andrei Arlovski
9. Cane Velasquez
10. Alistair Overeem

(http://www.mmanews.com/page.php?page=rankings)


Inside MMA rankings, going into Fedor-Rogers:

1 Fedor Emelianenko
2 Brock Lesnar
3 Josh Barnett
4 Frank Mir
5 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
6 Randy Couture
7 Alistair Overeem
8 Brett Rogers
9 Shane Carwin
10 Cain Velasquez

(http://www.hdnetfights.com/rankings/rankings.php?class=heavyweights)

Should I dig up the rest?

No, don't dig up the rest. You are right. I will now admit that both AA and Sylvia should be ranked 2nd and 3rd in the top ten HWs, right this moment. Let us make Rogers number five, but just a shade behind Brock at four.

Your entire argument is based on other people's opinion. My opinion is this. AA got found out (weak chin), Sylvia is lazy, and Rogers doesn't have the know-how. You are arguing that the UFC actually had a credible HW Division at a time almost everybody on this board will tell you they didn't! Fedor is the number 1 HW in the World, I just do not think he has had a true threat to his top spot since he last fought Mirko and that was like five years ago. I also think his "handlers" are working real hard to make sure he doesn't. The only real threats (barring a lucky punch) are in the UFC, which he chose not to sign with, even though they offered him a lot more money and a title shot. They even said he could do his Sambo competitions.

Wolfgang jumps in to stop the context at six pages in. Winner by fedorplata is redvexx8.

Andrew drops to 0-293 in arguments about Lesnar and Fedor.

bad thing is both guys are right and wrong.

why did you move this to the trashcan wolf? This is a MMA discussion and wasnt any off topic/insulting posts...

you dont decide winners.

Fact: Before Fedor fights someone, the haters say that fighter will be the one to beat Fedor

Fact: After the fight is over, the haters completely forget what they said and now say that said fighter is a can.

Fact: AA was the guy that was going to beat Fedor with his supreme technical boxing ability. Timmy was going to beat Fedor with his reach and the fact that it was Fedor's first meaningful fight in a while. Grim was going to beat Fedor with his size and power. This shit never ends.

He can't stand a popular thread by me more than likely. I don't know any other reason why he would move it? People were still into it. Stuff like this will drive people away Wolf. You aren't God of the board like you tell yourself and this was wrong. Now I will wait for an insult on me or my family from you.

Again .. mod power being used when not needed ... this seriously has to stop.

GolbeZ wrote:

Again .. mod power being used when not needed ... this seriously has to stop.

Yeah I might as well go back to ESPN and type S@mbo...oh wait I can't lol

Oh stop complaining.

Six pages of defending the greatest fighter of all time against what is strictly baseless Dana White brand promotional hype and the one or two guys stupid enough to be duped into buying it isn't high brow discussion.

Honestly, how long did it take for you to come to believe the revisionist history career assassination propaganda against Emelianenko?


Note - this mentality isn't invogue anymore as white wants Fedor to fight in the UFC. Keep in mind you're parroting dated material.







Thread for those who were offended by that last thread being moved to the trash.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Oh stop complaining.

Six pages of defending the greatest fighter of all time against what is strictly baseless Dana White brand promotional hype and the one or two guys stupid enough to be duped into buying it isn't high brow discussion.

nope just DISCUSSION, which is what we are here for. Point is you shouldn't get the right to say when it is over and you should know that. You are so stubborn. Just say oops or sorry it won't happen.

the talk isnt over. its just in a more suitable forum

Wolfgangsta wrote:

the talk isnt over. its just in a more suitable forum

Says God!

Yeah we need a 3rd Fedor thread in the trash can.

Thank you wolf. For having the decency and mercy to allow us such a topic .. if it wasnt for mods like you, we might all have our own opinions.. and God knows that would be complete chaos.

whats funny is you think I cared / was upset about the original topic... look at when I decided to make my first comment.

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

the talk isnt over. its just in a more suitable forum

Says God!

+1

golbmember, relax. I wasn't focusing on you. Don't flatter yourself.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

golbmember, relax. I wasn't focusing on you. Don't flatter yourself.

Who dat call my name?

This thread

was awesome

and wolf

tried