"He [Brock] will be back this Spring" -Couture

captain organic wrote:

A win at 205 over Coleman earns Randy a hwy tournament appearance? While guys like Nog Junior Cain etc are there watching?

Though I may agree in terms of needing a tuneup. And that may explain the Mar 26th interim fight if indeed Brock is ready for spring.

Um, hel-the-fuck-lo, does getting knocked the fuck out by Chuck Liddell, sitting on the sidelines for a year and a call to white earn a title fight? Does submitting the not even top 50 Mike Van Arsdale earn a title fight? Does getting squashed twice by Barnett and then Ricco earn a title fight?

Does going 1-1 in the UFC and beating Heath Herring earn a title fight? Has anything the UFC done in the HW picture recently or Couture's and Lesnar's career ever been rational and not based on their PPV star power?

When has Couture ever had to work back up the ladder? Nog, Vera, Coleman in a row in non title fights is the longest stretch in his entire UFC career between title fights, ever, by far. It has been no secret the UFC wants a rematch between those two. It was all but assured that Couture would have earned one with a win over Nog remember? And even in the loss, White has nothing but praise for Randy's performance.

I can already hear Joe Rogan playing up the significance of a decision loss to Nog that was somewhat competitive, a close win over a Vera who smashed Mir once, and Hall of Famer former HW champion Coleman in a hype video.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Farmer you have developed into quite the contributionless contrarian lately. It's not even that serious obviously, but in seriouesness, doesn't it make sense for Zuffa to protect Lesnar and doesn't it make sense that maybe he looks bad in the gym and they need to get him a tune up fight first? Dana is a big believer in ring rust and an even bigger believer in Lesnar's dollars right?

I mean, what isn't possible about this? The other theories are in effect "hes secretly training in the batcave".

You contribute way more with your Brock will fight Couture again to avoid Mir and Carwin.

There are tons of BS coming out of the whole Lesnar is healthy, not healthy, training, not even returning, etc. I like hearing the rumors because Lesnar is a pretty important person in the MMA world, but throwing out a bunch to BS to "contribute" is dumb.

So you think the UFC would rather sacrifice their wounded, rusty PPV bigshot's aura of unbeatability to a less marketable guy like Carwin or Mir than milk one more buy out of Couture and Lesnar? You realize Couture and Coleman is being pushed as a main event caliber fight right?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

So you think the UFC would rather sacrifice their wounded, rusty PPV bigshot's aura of unbeatability to a less marketable guy like Carwin or Mir than milk one more buy out of Couture and Lesnar? You realize Couture and Coleman is being pushed as a main event caliber fight right?

It is no sacrifice. Lesnar will have time to get healthy and fight the number one contender.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

captain organic wrote:

A win at 205 over Coleman earns Randy a hwy tournament appearance? While guys like Nog Junior Cain etc are there watching?

Though I may agree in terms of needing a tuneup. And that may explain the Mar 26th interim fight if indeed Brock is ready for spring.

Um, hel-the-fuck-lo, does getting knocked the fuck out by Chuck Liddell, sitting on the sidelines for a year and a call to white earn a title fight? Does submitting the not even top 50 Mike Van Arsdale earn a title fight? Does getting squashed twice by Barnett and then Ricco earn a title fight?

Does going 1-1 in the UFC and beating Heath Herring earn a title fight? Has anything the UFC done in the HW picture recently or Couture's and Lesnar's career ever been rational and not based on their PPV star power?

When has Couture ever had to work back up the ladder? Vera and Coleman in a row in non title fights is the longest stretch in his entire UFC career between title fights, ever.

I guess you have a point, but big differences now are:

1)there are actually some very worthy title contendors waiting in Nog, Cain, Junior.

2)Randy is approaching 50 and recently looked pretty darn boring vs Vera.

Randy Brock II would be straight up junk. I really hope that never happens.

The UFC skips worthy contenders constantly for sellable fights. A Lesnar Couture fight would do 800k buys minimum, much more than a fight with any of those guys. Those guys would also have a much better shot of actually beating Lesnar, especially after a life threatening injury that kept him out of the cage and gym for over a year.

Couture also looked like shit when Liddell, Barnett and Ricco slapped him stupid. Hasn't stopped em before.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

The UFC skips worthy contenders constantly for sellable fights. A Lesnar Couture fight would do 800k buys minimum, much more than a fight with any of those guys. Those guys would also have a much better shot of actually beating Lesnar, especially after a life threatening injury that kept him out of the cage and gym for over a year.

Couture also looked like shit when Liddell, Barnett and Ricco slapped him stupid. Hasn't stopped em before.

But Liddell was a p4p guy at that point, randy was not approacning 50, and he was never moving up in weight to fight a guy who cuts to make 265.

I understand your reasoning, and being as how $$$ and Dana are involved I can't write it off completely, but Brock Randy II is a garbage fight.

Tim cuts to HW partner...

The writing is on the wall. It was widely speculated by most MMA media that Couture would be given a title shot with a Nog win.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

The UFC skips worthy contenders constantly for sellable fights. A Lesnar Couture fight would do 800k buys minimum, much more than a fight with any of those guys. Those guys would also have a much better shot of actually beating Lesnar, especially after a life threatening injury that kept him out of the cage and gym for over a year.

Couture also looked like shit when Liddell, Barnett and Ricco slapped him stupid. Hasn't stopped em before.

Care to wager if you're so sure? Or are you going to welch again?

Did I say I was sure? I said it's a possible theory.

You don't think it's possible why?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Did I say I was sure? I said it's a possible theory.

You don't think it's possible why?

I think it is slightly less possible than Anderson moving to HW and getting the first shot as Lesnar before Nog, JDS, Cain, Carwin, and Mir.

Why though? Answer the question I asked please.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Why though? Answer the question I asked please.

Technically it is, but then so is getting struck by lightning.

Duck out of the discussion via cute valueless replies, similarly to how you entered it. But never the less, I got the wheels upstairs in your head turning and have a lot of points. You know that.

I have no idea what you are saying and feel dumber reading it.

Couture is not an option for Brock at this point. Get over it.

No he isn't, but he wasn't an option for Sylvia either and Brock wasn't an option for Couture. How soon you forget.

You should be smarter than confusing what the UFC by rights should do with what they likely would do. Hughes isn't an option for GSP either at this point, but do not be shocked if another win grants him another shot there either.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

No he isn't, but he wasn't an option for Sylvia either and Brock wasn't an option for Couture. How soon you forget.

You should be smarter than confusing what the UFC by rights should do with what they likely would do. Hughes isn't an option for GSP either at this point, but do not be shocked if another win grants him another shot there either.

The HW division had no one for big Timmy. He already beat AA twice & Monson. The only other option was a young unproven Jake. Couture was given the fight because he was a legend in the sport and wanted it. It was a big money fight for a division that had none.

Hughes isn't an option for GSP. Now if he beats Gracie and a contender (Fitch, Alves, Kos, and maybe Daley or Hardy too) then he may be in the conversation again.

The UFC may pass up someone like Machida for Rashad or Maynard for Sanchez, but do you really expect Couture to leap frog about 6 guys in a situation like this?

With an interm title also in play, then absolutely, for a comeback fight for Lesnar who has been battling a potential carrer ending, life threatening injury for a year and is rusty(or worse, too injuried to be competitive anymore and simply looking for a final paycheck, which is a real possibility based on some of the stuff we've heard), then yes, absolutely.

Do you think the UFC if they don't absolutely have to would risk sacrificing Brock's reign as champion? It isn't exactly leap frogging anyone with a second title also in play. And the UFC has already shown the ability to leap frog contenders by keeping Mir in these interm fights even if he has alrady lost badly in a recent title fight, while young guns like JDS and Cain stay on the sidelines, looking in.

No, this isn't an option at this point if Brock is healthy and able to fight fresh contenders with no lay off. But that isn't the case anymore. And remember, the UFC would have extended him a title fight likely just a few months ago after a win over Nog, and there were a lot of rumours from within UFC insiders of him leaping over guys to fight Machida at LHW. The UFC has been practically begging for an excuse for this rematch, and this is near perfect.

Ya, I called that shit. The UFC will give Couture a title shot he doesn't deserve and frankly shouldn't legally be allowed to have at this stage in some weight class, be it LHW or HW.

Spin spin spin.

Don't be mad at me dipshit. There is no spin. This is just how the UFC rolls. We've seen this all before 100 times. Like I said, the writing was on the wall. Not my fault if you couldn't see it/weren't smart enough to figure it out.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Don't be mad at me dipshit. There is no spin. This is just how the UFC rolls. We've seen this all before 100 times. Like I said, the writing was on the wall. Not my fault if you couldn't see it/weren't smart enough to figure it out.

Once again. Couture will not be fighting Lesnar. Get over it. Move on.

Maybe not, but he will be fighting for a title he doesn't deserve to be. That was the real point anyway.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Maybe not, but he will be fighting for a title he doesn't deserve to be. That was the real point anyway.

I thought the real point was that the UFC couldn't risk Brock losing so they are giving him a "warm up" fight and not Shane or Frank.

That was also speculated by me, but if you actually read my original point, I also mentioned how the UFC wanted to feed Couture a LHW fight, and just in general how Couture is awarded title fights he doesn't deserve. I think I mentioned that as much as anything.

Besides, like I said in my other thread, I still think a Brock fight is a big possibility. Even more so now honestly. It's not like Joe could say "the winner of this LHW fight is in line for a HW shot" exactly right?

If you ask me LHW is a stupid idea. HW is a better idea, in pure business terms, because it protects Lesnar during his recovery while simultaniously makes a shit pile of money.