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PostSubject: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyWed Oct 30, 2013 11:10 am

The current 3*5 min rounds for normal fights or would you rather 1*15 min round?
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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyWed Oct 30, 2013 11:56 am

5-3 minute rounds all day. I think those long rounds make for less entertaining fights. Now 5-3 minute rounds would be fun imo
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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyWed Oct 30, 2013 12:28 pm

Round 1 10 minutes
Round 2 5 minutes
Round 3 5 minutes
There are two-minutes between rounds.

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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyWed Oct 30, 2013 2:28 pm

3 rounds at 5 minutes is the better format. It allows for the coaches to actually coach their fighters and give them direction that isn't lost among crowd cheers and commentator chatter at ringside.

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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyWed Oct 30, 2013 4:38 pm

Just fight to the death

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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyWed Oct 30, 2013 7:50 pm

GSP said he would prefer 1 15min round as it's more realistic.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyWed Oct 30, 2013 7:59 pm

More realistic compared to what?

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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyWed Oct 30, 2013 8:35 pm

To a real fight and other fighting disciples. He said it's not boxing and there shouldn't be rounds.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyWed Oct 30, 2013 11:02 pm

As much as GSP would love to lay on another man for 15 uninterrupted minutes, that ain't the way things go

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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyThu Oct 31, 2013 9:24 am

Do you think it would make jusging fights easier though having just 1 round?
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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyThu Oct 31, 2013 1:41 pm

I don't think you can really compare a real fight to mixed martial arts. Even kickboxing has rounds when it's not olympic style sparring with full pads(that's done on points). Most real fights aren't between trained professionals and most of those encounters tend to be over very quickly because usually there is some kind of massive skill gap in some area, or someone finds the jaw before the other ones does. It may not be boxing but boxing is really the only sport apart from K-1's brand of kickboxing that there is to really reference from. Hell the ABC pretty much decided on the unified rules of MMA because they actually had reference points and connections to the various SAC's around the country.

It'd be increasingly difficult to judge a single round. Judges already get it wrong with 3 rounds in the same amount of time, how are they going to know how to process the information all at once without a chance to look at things in segments? It might as well be 1 round that's 5 minutes long.

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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyThu Oct 31, 2013 8:24 pm

Fair enough. 1 15min round might make it easier for the wrestlers and make MMA more boring. I thought the question was worth asking though.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyThu Oct 31, 2013 8:30 pm

I think it would be much easier to judge one round. That's an assbackwards comment that you couldn't have thought out. If anything, broken up rounds only confuses the monkeys who judge most big time fights. I see where freak is going with what GSP said, but the set up now is the best. Id rather have shorter rounds to create urgency on subs and the fight in general. Also the 30-60 seconds of rest for fighters would be cool.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyThu Oct 31, 2013 8:34 pm

I was making that comment to ludo. This shit phone won't let me qoute
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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyThu Oct 31, 2013 9:01 pm

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I think it would be much easier to judge one round. That's an assbackwards comment that you couldn't have thought out. If anything,  broken up rounds only confuses the monkeys who judge most big time fights. I see where freak is going with what GSP said, but the set up now is the best. Id rather have shorter rounds to create urgency on subs and the fight in general. Also the 30-60 seconds of rest for fighters would be cool.
How does breaking up the rounds confuse them more than one single segment that includes all the action? They enter in scores between rounds as it is in most places(except apparently Australia as we saw with the whole Mighty Mouse/Uncle Creepy 1 debacle). So now take the fact that they can fairly often get 5 minutes of action wrong, and consider that 3 times the information will be presented to them with no breaks to go back on. What would come from this is a massive clusterfuck. Guys who score last minute takedowns might very well win a fight based on one takedown rather than have to win 3 rounds, they only have to win 1.

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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyFri Nov 01, 2013 7:31 pm

Pretty sure you proved me right Ludo. A TD at the end of a round happening once isn't gonna win a round like a shorter round. We're both talking about horrible judging, so moot point from both of us.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyFri Nov 01, 2013 7:44 pm

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Pretty sure you proved me right Ludo. A TD at the end of a round happening once isn't gonna win a round like a shorter round. We're both talking about horrible judging, so moot point from both of us.
People often remember the end of something more than the beginning or middle. It's one reason PRIDE's judging system was fundamentally flawed. The length and number of rounds determines how a judge will be able to score a fight. One excessively long round being the only round in a fight. One takedown at the end of one close 15 minute round could very well win the round, we see it all the time in even shorter formats. What makes you think it's going to be harder to land a takedown on someone who hasn't gotten two breaks already?

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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyFri Nov 01, 2013 7:52 pm

If someone gets a TD in a close round then they win. As bad as some judges are, i think its harder to score a fight for someone in the way you're saying. Right now you have a circle and you're screaming that it fits in a square. Longer rounds only make for tired fighters. That's something we should agree on. The judging thing you talk about is pretty easy to figure out Ludo.
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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyFri Nov 01, 2013 7:55 pm

I guess I'm.commenting on a good judge so i see what you mean though
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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyFri Nov 01, 2013 7:58 pm

Longer rounds favor the Diego Sanchez' of the world is what I'm saying. Imagine it's a 15 minute single round fight and Diego gets obliterated for 12 minutes like he did against Ellenberger and Gomi and Melendez, and in the final few minutes finds an advantageous position. I guarantee if these fights were all one single round more people would have judged in favor of Diego in all of them.

Should we really be rewarding fighters for this kind of thing by effectively erasing the first half or more of the fight that people will likely forget about in favor of the "exciting" final moments?

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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyFri Nov 01, 2013 8:05 pm

And yes, if the judging wasn't downright horrible at times I'd have no problems with PRIDE format rounds or even a 15 minute single round fight for non title fights. The issue, for Me at least, is that judging is wildly inconsistent and purely subjective. There is so much in the way of gray area that the rules haven't made clear or really weighed in on that judges are pretty much given free reign with no real recourse for even the most ridiculous scorecards.

With the current state of judging it seems like they have trouble properly processing and scoring what they are seeing, and if that's the case on the small scale(three rounds at five minutes a piece) I can't even imagine the eyebrow raising scores that might come from large scale testing here.

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PostSubject: Re: Would you rather?   Would you rather? EmptyFri Nov 01, 2013 8:19 pm

Guess I'm talking about good judges like you. If it was me I would watch and score the fight as a whole. Most judges shit the bed. If it was me I think it would be easier because of so much time, and a TD at the end of a 15 minute round couldn't justify more points. I still like 5 3 minute rounds with non-retarded judges.
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