GSP getting too big for 170?

captain organic wrote:

thedarkwingduck2k50 wrote:

I agree with Bigs on this one. this match would probably see GSP on anderson silva the entire night wearing him down on the ground, GSP would have no trouble whatsoever taking the spider down. GSP would neutralize spider's BJJ as he did with penn. Silva's striking wouldnt be as effective after getting worn down on the ground and the threat of GsP's takedown. I have no qualm with taking gsp on this one. horrible matchup for spider.

Anything that GSP did vs a natural 155er has no relevance vs a guy who fights successfully at 205.

i think too many people underestimate gsp strength just because of the division he fights in. he just abused thiago alves who many feel is strong enough to fight as LHW, and who has to cut weight like crazy to get to 170. can spider defend against gsp takedowns, the answer is no. therefore gsp will be controlling where the fight goes. i agree if this fight was pure stand up, gsp has no chance. Dan Henderson only got in trouble when he decided to stand and trade blows with silva in the 2nd round. however looking back at gsp fights, every single opponent has ended up the same way, on their back and worn down from defending from his ground and pound...i think too many people who get caught up with "weight divisions" difference will see it doesnt apply to a monster like GSP.

thedarkwingduck2k50 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

thedarkwingduck2k50 wrote:

I agree with Bigs on this one. this match would probably see GSP on anderson silva the entire night wearing him down on the ground, GSP would have no trouble whatsoever taking the spider down. GSP would neutralize spider's BJJ as he did with penn. Silva's striking wouldnt be as effective after getting worn down on the ground and the threat of GsP's takedown. I have no qualm with taking gsp on this one. horrible matchup for spider.

Anything that GSP did vs a natural 155er has no relevance vs a guy who fights successfully at 205.

i think too many people underestimate gsp strength just because of the division he fights in. he just abused thiago alves who many feel is strong enough to fight as LHW, and who has to cut weight like crazy to get to 170. can spider defend against gsp takedowns, the answer is no. therefore gsp will be controlling where the fight goes. i agree if this fight was pure stand up, gsp has no chance. Dan Henderson only got in trouble when he decided to stand and trade blows with silva in the 2nd round. however looking back at gsp fights, every single opponent has ended up the same way, on their back and worn down from defending from his ground and pound...i think too many people who get caught up with "weight divisions" difference will see it doesnt apply to a monster like GSP.

How can you say so surely that Spider can't stop GSP's takedowns? If weight division difference's don't apply then why has he never fought at 185,(or 205 since they don't matter), Alves might be a big 170, but he's still a 170.

Spider has proven that weight divisions don't matter much to him, GSP has never shown that. If anything by beating down an elite 155er he's shown the importance of weight divisions.

I have Spider by KO. 2nd round.

Obviously there are people on both sides of this fight. Hopefully the UFC will put it on so we can settle the matter once and for all.

captain organic wrote:

thedarkwingduck2k50 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

thedarkwingduck2k50 wrote:

I agree with Bigs on this one. this match would probably see GSP on anderson silva the entire night wearing him down on the ground, GSP would have no trouble whatsoever taking the spider down. GSP would neutralize spider's BJJ as he did with penn. Silva's striking wouldnt be as effective after getting worn down on the ground and the threat of GsP's takedown. I have no qualm with taking gsp on this one. horrible matchup for spider.

Anything that GSP did vs a natural 155er has no relevance vs a guy who fights successfully at 205.

i think too many people underestimate gsp strength just because of the division he fights in. he just abused thiago alves who many feel is strong enough to fight as LHW, and who has to cut weight like crazy to get to 170. can spider defend against gsp takedowns, the answer is no. therefore gsp will be controlling where the fight goes. i agree if this fight was pure stand up, gsp has no chance. Dan Henderson only got in trouble when he decided to stand and trade blows with silva in the 2nd round. however looking back at gsp fights, every single opponent has ended up the same way, on their back and worn down from defending from his ground and pound...i think too many people who get caught up with "weight divisions" difference will see it doesnt apply to a monster like GSP.

How can you say so surely that Spider can't stop GSP's takedowns? If weight division difference's don't apply then why has he never fought at 185,(or 205 since they don't matter), Alves might be a big 170, but he's still a 170.

Spider has proven that weight divisions don't matter much to him, GSP has never shown that. If anything by beating down an elite 155er he's shown the importance of weight divisions.

I have Spider by KO. 2nd round.

^^^ yahtzee (bolded)

I also found it funny he said:

thedarkwingduck2k50 wrote:

to a monster like GSP.

as if who GSP was fighting wasnt a moster (and bigger, so perhaps a bigger monster).

Wouldnt the fact that Spider wouldnt be in the least bit worried about GSPs striking change how affective GSPs takedowns are? Isn't his takedowns so good because he is strong and mixes his striking and TDs so well? It just seems to me that his strength and striking wont matter as much when he is moving up to 185 and fighting spider.

Keep the distance, use the reach advantage, and out box him.

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Spider has proven that weight divisions don't matter much to him, GSP has never shown that. If anything by beating down an elite 155er he's shown the importance of weight divisions.

I have Spider by KO. 2nd round.[/quote]


i think this is a weak argument here, you're saying just because he has never done nor attempt to do so means he can't do it? He was busy cleaning out the deep welter weight division. also, everything else aside, i would imagine a physical specimen like GSP would have the most success venturing out his division, more so than anyone in the ufc, including penn, silva, and etc. look i love silva, but stylistically, this is a horrible matchup for him, a world class level wrestler with the best takedowns in the ufc, and who has the skills to neutralize top level BJJ on the ground. i do consider the size differences but i think the overall matchup favors gsp more.

oggy420 wrote:

I'll take Anderson. All he needs is one clean strike and the fight can be over in a flash. In a 5 round found against a guy who is going to push forward and attack him which is exactly when he thrives i like his chances to land something. Remeber Anderson isn't a slouch on the ground either and he will be bigger and longer than GSP.

+1

thedarkwingduck2k50 wrote:

Spider has proven that weight divisions don't matter much to him, GSP has never shown that. If anything by beating down an elite 155er he's shown the importance of weight divisions.

I have Spider by KO. 2nd round.[/quote]


i think this is a weak argument here, you're saying just because he has never done nor attempt to do so means he can't do it? He was busy cleaning out the deep welter weight division. also, everything else aside, i would imagine a physical specimen like GSP would have the most success venturing out his division, more so than anyone in the ufc, including penn, silva, and etc. look i love silva, but stylistically, this is a horrible matchup for him, a world class level wrestler with the best takedowns in the ufc, and who has the skills to neutralize top level BJJ on the ground. i do consider the size differences but i think the overall matchup favors gsp more.[/quote]

No. You are the one assuming he can do it, when he never has. I'm doubting he can cause a) he has never done it + b)he would be fighting Silva.

Remember that with a huge reach adv over guys like Penn and Alves, GSP can get nice and close b4 attempting a take down, he will have to maintain a serious distance against spider, that will be a major hurdle.

Little did I know this conversation could get even more nonsensical even after Bigs embarrassed himself...

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Little did I know this conversation could get even more nonsensical even after Bigs embarrassed himself...

Nonsensical is your middle name, wolf. Most any conversation you involve yourself with moves in that direction.

All this faggot can do is come out on the short end of flame battles, since you can clearly see he backed off his dumbass "GSP is actually stronger and bigger than anderson" assbabble.

You sir are a clown.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

All this faggot can do is come out on the short end of flame battles, since you can clearly see he backed off his dumbass "GSP is actually stronger and bigger than anderson" assbabble.

You sir are a clown.

When did I back off of that statement?

Why do you think so many people think you're an asshole?

People may think I am an asshole, but as I am sure you also notice I get my props in many a thread for bringing the logic. People say nothing of you either way. You are neither smart nor are you engaging. Congrats on being under the radar average in everyway!

Wolfgangsta wrote:

People may think I am an asshole, but as I am sure you also notice I get my props in many a thread for bringing the logic. People say nothing of you either way. You are neither smart nor are you engaging. Congrats on being under the radar average in everyway!

Coming from an asshole, your opinion means nothing.

This is all you got? Really?

I relate to how BJ Penn must have felt during the break after the third round last time out.



That is, if fight internet flame babble is somehow analigious to being a real MMA fighter...

Wolfgangsta wrote:

This is all you got? Really?

I relate to how BJ Penn must have felt during the break after the third round last time out.



That is, if fight internet flame babble is somehow analigious to being a real MMA fighter...

At this point, Wolf, I don't care to put much thought into anything concerning you. Therefore, my rebuttals are and will be lackluster. I'm growing weary of you. Truth be told, I want to go back to talking MMA instead of feuding with you. The bottom line is, I'm with everyone else here...you're an asshole and a douchebag. You think "flaming" people online is cool and you think somehow by running your mouth you're "winning".

I don't know, I guess you're just not worth my time.

LOL says the clown who less than two weeks ago re-started this nonsense. I was making a point of being nicer to you, you resorted to "ur pathetic" as opposed to arguing a point in a frank mir thread or something like that. I figured then I'd start in on ya, little did I know you'd give me such gifts as arguing GSP is bigger than Anderson Silva(still loling) and fold like a house of cards in every debate since then. I certainly didn't think you'd throw in the towel this fast.

But the point about the effort you put in doesn't make sense because nothing you've ever said has been clever, funny or more complex than "your pathetic" or "nobody likes u douchbag!"

I tire of this too. BBC, DHN, Fleav and everyone else have been at least somewhat funny or challenging. You're just a whiner who starts tattle tale little threads trying to get my mod status revoked out of spite. God you're a weiner dude. The kind of guy whose own mom calls him a pussy.

Your reputation speaks for itself wolfgangsta. normally, people show indifference towards people they couldnt care less about. But you managed to upset enough people on here to get a -7 rating (which i think is still very high for you), that's an achievement in itself. Kinda ironic though isnt it, the founders of this forum wanted to escape the trolling on the espn board, but they brought the biggest troll of them all, along with them.

thedarkwingduck2k50 wrote:

Your reputation speaks for itself wolfgangsta. normally, people show indifference towards people they couldnt care less about. But you managed to upset enough people on here to get a -7 rating (which i think is still very high for you), that's an achievement in itself. Kinda ironic though isnt it, the founders of this forum wanted to escape the trolling on the espn board, but they brought the biggest troll of them all, along with them.

Like him or not .. "troll" isn't the correct term for him.

Despite the way Wolfy comes off at times, the reputation thing is moronic, he know's more than a lot of the people with higher reps, and makes good points at times, his rep is directly related to his dickheadedness.

Ya, and the only people who neg me are bigs and then random losers like darkwing with questionable intelligence and low post counts.

I agree that GSP is quick, real quick, but quicker than Silva? What makes him dangerous is his takedowns and constant pushing of the pace. But don't underestimate the power of Silva's strikes.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ya, and the only people who neg me are bigs and then random losers like darkwing with questionable intelligence and low post counts.

I've only given you negatives a couple times and that's because you changed my posts. I don't handout negatives unless they are deserved and that is a rarity.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Despite the way Wolfy comes off at times, the reputation thing is moronic, he know's more than a lot of the people with higher reps, and makes good points at times, his rep is directly related to his dickheadedness.

I agree with this for the most part, however, the reputation thing is not moronic. Wolf's reputation is that he's an asshole and a prick, therefore he has a shitty rep. Is he a big fan of MMA? Sure. Does he know a lot about the technical side of MMA??? He thinks so and occasionally he even sounds like it. Does he deserve a negative reputation? Abso-fucking-lutely.

Bigs03 wrote:

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Despite the way Wolfy comes off at times, the reputation thing is moronic, he know's more than a lot of the people with higher reps, and makes good points at times, his rep is directly related to his dickheadedness.

I agree with this for the most part, however, the reputation thing is not moronic. Wolf's reputation is that he's an asshole and a prick, therefore he has a shitty rep. Is he a big fan of MMA? Sure. Does he know a lot about the technical side of MMA??? He thinks so and occasionally he even sounds like it. Does he deserve a negative reputation? Abso-fucking-lutely.

it can be .. I got a negative rep on the Official Standings thread on the pickem board .. I mean who gives me a -1 for keeping track of everyones records and shit? .. oh and I got a negative rep for an obvious sarcastic/not serious post putting Shogun as #1 p4p list during that whole "SHOGUN GOT FUCKED WORSE THAN POLAND IN WW2!"

Golbez gets neg-repped for whining