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When Alistair Overeem's latest blood test came back after UFC 156, there was a problem, but perhaps not what you would think.

Overeem, the 262-pound heavyweight with the Herculean physique came
back with a blood testosterone level reading of 179 nanograms per
deciliter, a figure that would be considered dangerously low for a
competitive athlete.

While the level seemed shocking to an outsider, one person not
surprised was Keith Kizer, the Executive Director of the Nevada State
Athletic Commission.

Kizer had ordered Overeem (36-12) to take a blood test and a urine
test after his Feb. 2 loss to Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva in Las Vegas. He
asked him to take the blood test because it was his first fight back
after an unannounced out of competition blood test in late March of 2012
that showed Overeem having taken the steroid testosterone. Overeem
later claimed at a hearing before the commission, where he was at the
time denied a license, that he did so unknowingly. He said a doctor
prescribed an injectable solution to heal a rib injury which contained
testosterone causing him to fail the test.

While Overeem was sitting out the nine-month period before he could
reapply for a license, one of the things he did was on several occasions
provide the Nevada commission with results of both blood and urine
tests. In all of those tests taken during periods when he did not have a
fight coming, the 32-year-old Overeem blood level reading was
consistently in the 180 nanograms per deciliter.

"We would have had a problem if the test came back at 400 (a normal
level)," said Kizer. "But it's not happy for him because he has low
testosterone."

Overeem's test, taken the morning after the fight, was low enough
that most doctors would recommend him to be on a testosterone
replacement plan even if he was not an athlete, and would at least in
theory, make it very difficult to have the energy to get through a
productive training camp or fight at peak efficiency.

But there would be a question, given his previous failure, of him being granted a testosterone use exemption in Nevada.

Nevada's ruling is that if someone's testosterone level is low due to
previous steroid use, even though they may need the therapy to live a
relatively normal life, the prior cheating excludes them from being able
to use it. The subject is controversial because there is no real way to
prove what low testosterone came from, whether it was due to usage of
steroids, or a different medical issue.

Overeem did seem like a different fighter against Silva. He did not
have the aggressiveness he had shown in most of his fights over the
previous five years. But he did not appear weak either. While not at
the freakish muscular level of some of his fights in Japan where he
looked ready to step on a bodybuilding contest stage, he was still very
big and powerful looking.

He was still just as heavy, with low body fat, in the fight that he
lost via third-round knockout to Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva. He was strong
enough to overpower Silva for a takedown and keep him on the ground as
well as win the first two rounds against a high-level competitor before a
combination of stamina issues and being knocked silly when the two
men's heads accidentally collided, led to Silva finishing him.

A reading below 300 would be considered low, and under 250 is low
enough to open up risks of an assortment of health problems. Low
testosterone leads to a variety of problems, among them diminished
aggressiveness, decreased strength, diminished red blood cells
(decreasing the oxygen carrying capacity in the blood and causing a
decrease in stamina) and overall sluggishness.

These are issues that aren't good for an average person, but would be
disastrous for an athlete in a sport that requires the level of
training to get through a camp, let alone the conditioning to compete at
a high level once a fight begins.

"A competitor with low T levels would most likely not be in optimum
condition to fight," wrote Dr. Sherry Wulkan of the New Jersey Athletic
Control Board in e-mail correspondence. She noted she was speaking in
general terms for athletes with this condition and not specifically
regarding Alistair Overeem.

Wulkan said the athletic side effects of low testosterone may not
take place at the same time, and that it generally takes longer to lose
muscle mass than it takes for a decline in stamina. In other words, a
fighter may still look physically impressive and appear to be in great
shape, but this condition will make them tire quickly.

There are a few possible causes of low testosterone in a male in their early 30s. Primary hypogonadism, the condition Chael Sonnen
claimed to have, is very rare in healthy males. There are drugs or
chemotherapy that can lower testosterone production. Steroid use can do
so as well, sometimes temporarily, and in some cases, permanently,
hence the need for replacement therapy.

Overeem went from being a 205-pound light heavyweight who lost
frequently, to looking like a different human being, gaining nearly 60
pounds of competitive weight with no increase in body fat. Due to that,
he probably had more suspicion over steroids than nearly any MMA
competitor, even before he tested positive the first time he was tested
on a date he wasn't told about well in advance.

Overeem had lost five of his last eight fights as a light
heavyweight, before moving to heavyweight, where a few years later, many
considered him the best in the world. He competed at around 227 pounds
early on as a heavyweight, but then rapidly added muscle, seemingly
every time he fought, until plateauing at about 262 pounds.

As a big heavyweight, he hadn't lost an MMA fight from 2007 until the loss to Silva earlier this month.
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Give this man a TUE so he can be healthy
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Proof that he has been roiding for years and years. Fucking cheater gets knocked out when he isn't on the juice.
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Reem was so cocky he banged a chick the night before.
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injecting synthetics into your bloodstream is like shaking a soda can and opening it to your hormone levels.

He probably wouldnt have low T if he didnt inject it all those years same with Randy,Page,Hendo the list goes on and on
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Maybe this is what got Dana so pissed off last week.
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Proof that he has been roiding for years and years. Fucking cheater gets knocked out when he isn't on the juice.
you can't be this two sided, why aren't you calling out your hero Dan Henderson? You damn well know he's abusing the system too. Of coarse he took steroids earlier in his career
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Proof that he has been roiding for years and years. Fucking cheater gets knocked out when he isn't on the juice.
you can't be this two sided, why aren't you calling out your hero Dan Henderson? You damn well know he's abusing the system too. Of coarse he took steroids earlier in his career
LIES! How dare you imply that Hendo was on the juice. He is old and when you get old your levels drop. Also when you gain 60lbs of muscle you are roiding and your levels drop when you get off the juice. Not even remotely similar situations. You and your lies, how dare you.
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excuse me if I leave my pitchfork and torch at home, I don't believe in witches.
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killerofchicken wrote:
OU wrote:
Proof that he has been roiding for years and years. Fucking cheater gets knocked out when he isn't on the juice.
you can't be this two sided, why aren't you calling out your hero Dan Henderson? You damn well know he's abusing the system too. Of coarse he took steroids earlier in his career

I don't think Hendo manufactured his drop in T like Reem did.
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Hendo said he tests his t levels all throughout his camps incase someone accuses him of abusing it. He has never been popped for roids like Vitor.

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killerofchicken wrote:
OU wrote:
Proof that he has been roiding for years and years. Fucking cheater gets knocked out when he isn't on the juice.
you can't be this two sided, why aren't you calling out your hero Dan Henderson? You damn well know he's abusing the system too. Of coarse he took steroids earlier in his career

I don't think Hendo manufactured his drop in T like Reem did.
lol, because he's your hero... He CAN'T be dirty!!!!
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killerofchicken wrote:
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Proof that he has been roiding for years and years. Fucking cheater gets knocked out when he isn't on the juice.
you can't be this two sided, why aren't you calling out your hero Dan Henderson? You damn well know he's abusing the system too. Of coarse he took steroids earlier in his career

I don't think Hendo manufactured his drop in T like Reem did.

The current flows in that TRT = steroid use even though it's been documented that athletes like wrestlers have damages their endocrine system through various weight cutting methods.
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so are we just gonna assume that every fighter who fought in PRIDE was dirty? Of course some were cheating, but you can't make that sweeping generalization
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I tend not to believe that Hendo was roiding in PRIDE simply because he was always on the smaller side at 205. I realize TRT/roiding doesn't always mean you gain weight or even mass at all but you would think if he used for all those years his T levels would be off the charts low if combining past abuse with old age.
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Yeah it's always possible Hendo roided but you have no clear evidence of him roiding. However you can clearly see Reem has roided and recently we have seen the proof of that. We have confirmation on what we already knew.
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How about randy?
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How about randy?
Didn't you see sports science? He is just a freak athlete. The white Hershal Walker...except Walker is like Randy on steroids...and black.
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I just think its hilarious how we the fans can pick and choose who's clean and who's dirty as if we know something...
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I've come to terms that most of my favorite fighters are dirty... But then again so are most of their opponents, at th end of the day the fighter with the biggest wallet and the best scientist is th winner...
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I just think its hilarious how we the fans can pick and choose who's clean and who's dirty as if we know something...
It's like that in all sports these days. There are always guys that are far more clear then others. Reem is about as clear as it gets. Mark Coleman is pretty clear. Others though it's tougher to tell. Especially with Hendo. He is much older then Reem, Wanderlei, Shogun, Vitor and others that have had the drop off and/or are on TRT.
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what about guys abusing hgh? No test for that

You could see the difference in appearance from Overeem fight against Brock to his last fight. His weight was the same but he seemed like he had less muscle definition. Less explosiveness in the fight. He wasn't the same. That is the difference. Overeem used the stuff more to his advantage than any other fighter. You don't gain 60+ pounds of muscle in a few months from eating horsemeat.

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what about guys abusing hgh? No test for that

You could see the difference in appearance from Overeem fight against Brock to his last fight. His weight was the same but he seemed like he had less muscle definition. Less explosiveness in the fight. He wasn't the same. That is the difference. Overeem used the stuff more to his advantage than any other fighter. You don't gain 60+ pounds of muscle in a few months from eating horsemeat.


To be fair he gained those 60+ pounds over the course of a few years between 2003-2007 ish.
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what about guys abusing hgh? No test for that

You could see the difference in appearance from Overeem fight against Brock to his last fight. His weight was the same but he seemed like he had less muscle definition. Less explosiveness in the fight. He wasn't the same. That is the difference. Overeem used the stuff more to his advantage than any other fighter. You don't gain 60+ pounds of muscle in a few months from eating horsemeat.


To be fair he gained those 60+ pounds over the course of a few years between 2003-2007 ish.
Yeah to be fair he was obviously juicing. He failed his first ever random drug test and now we are seeing the effects of his long term use. I know he was juicing just like I know Barry Bonds was juicing.
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there was a point when he was fighting in japan where he gained an incredible amount of muscle and mass in a short amount of time. Thats probably when he first started. If you look at his last couple k-1 fights he looked like the incredible hulk. Nothing about that was natural.
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