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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyTue Jan 01, 2013 6:36 pm

your a moron if you think that makes them qualified
you also probably think Rubio is a great pick cause hes mexican, only problem is hes cuban and you need to look up the mexican vs cuban rifts that exist if you want to realize one of the reasons republicans got their asses kicked in FLorida,

Paul Ryan is done, you dont get your ass kicked as a VP candidate and go on to success later.

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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyTue Jan 01, 2013 7:10 pm

so Paul Ryan cant even work with John Boehner THE LEADER OF HIS OWN PARTY and that makes him qualified.

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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyTue Jan 01, 2013 10:22 pm

Bird putting words in people's mouths again.

Stop being such a little cunt.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyWed Jan 02, 2013 12:52 am

well the FIscall Deal passed and guess what, Republicans didnt get their cuts that theyve been holding out for since 2010


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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyWed Jan 02, 2013 5:31 am

You obviously didn't read the article. First it's about rand not Ryan. Second it's about it being passed and these guys not caving on a bs plan.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyWed Jan 02, 2013 10:29 am

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You obviously didn't read the article. First it's about rand not Ryan. Second it's about it being passed and these guys not caving on a bs plan.

looks like airforce one will make yet another trip to Hawaii so President Obama can sign. This could be done with auto pen as well maybe airforce one can bring him back to save a little money.

Either way what do you guys think about the pass?

please if possible list points of bill and how you think it helps our deficit.

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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyWed Jan 02, 2013 10:53 am

Keeps paying the unemployed
Delays cuts to gov agencies
Raises taxes on small businesses
I doubt the cuts ever really happen just like with HW and reagen.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyThu Jan 03, 2013 12:11 am

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You obviously didn't read the article. First it's about rand not Ryan. Second it's about it being passed and these guys not caving on a bs plan.

looks like airforce one will make yet another trip to Hawaii so President Obama can sign. This could be done with auto pen as well maybe airforce one can bring him back to save a little money.

Either way what do you guys think about the pass?

please if possible list points of bill and how you think it helps our deficit.


I think it was important to extend the Bush tax cuts for americans that are not well off and dont need another tax write off. So Im glad to see that the Reps had to cave on that. THink it was important that they finally got something done, we will wait and see how it works out, but the consequences of doing nothing could have been catastrophic

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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyThu Jan 03, 2013 12:12 am

biggest part for me was the Reps backing off on Social Security, that happened several days ago officially

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biggest part for me was the Reps backing off on Social Security, that happened several days ago officially

speaking of SS how do you think we should remedy this?

Our generation isnt replacing itself. Birthrates going lower who shall pay for the continuation of this scheme?

look at Europe re population rates and thats a big contributing factor why socialism always fails

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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyFri Jan 04, 2013 12:27 am

sorry farmer, you posted this on the same day that Paul Ryan and Rubio attempted to bock, fiscal cliff figured thats what you were talking about

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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyFri Jan 04, 2013 12:32 am

Cu Bu wrote:
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biggest part for me was the Reps backing off on Social Security, that happened several days ago officially

speaking of SS how do you think we should remedy this?

Our generation isnt replacing itself. Birthrates going lower who shall pay for the continuation of this scheme?

look at Europe re population rates and thats a big contributing factor why socialism always fails

my opinion, its paid for until 2016 and with Obamas win will be until 2020 at least. Youi and I are going to probably not get the same deal ur parents got (im 25), but anyone campaigning on changing the system at 50-55 (which Ryan is all about) well, imo, fuck that, my parents paid their money they get to collect and I have seen how helpful it was to my grandparents.

Im sorry but IMO SS is a right to the american ppl that pay and paid into it and anyone talking about drastically altering it can fuck off. The fact that Romney attempted one of many propestourous lies (Obama raided Medicare) when he actually prolonged it and SS shows what BS they were on, when I can look at Paul Ryans plan and see what he proposed.

My opinion is we get the richest ppl paying CLinton level taxes, we stop giving outsourcers tax cuts and give ppl that keep their jobs in america a tax break. That alone mixed w/ the money were about to make off Iran plus leaving Afghanistan in 2014, we should be fine.

Lets be realstic, people have been screaming about the coming SS collapse for how long? 40 years? they always hamper out a deal that preserves and prolognes it .

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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyFri Jan 04, 2013 10:11 am

lol they are going to incur more debt

hamper out a deal huh.

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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptySat Jan 05, 2013 5:17 pm

theother thing is yall had cuts on the table in 2010 and Boehner and the morons balked thinking it would help election chances

How'd that go?

THey got no cuts, they claim theyll get them in the debt ceiling, ya fucking right thats almost comical.

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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyMon Jan 07, 2013 4:58 pm

neither the repubs or dems are going to lower the budget or cut government. Our zero based budget will always see increased spending based on the previous years budget.

My question is how are we going to sustain this level of spending. At what point are we willing to admit that we spend more than we can pay the interest on?

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neither the repubs or dems are going to lower the budget or cut government. Our zero based budget will always see increased spending based on the previous years budget.

My question is how are we going to sustain this level of spending. At what point are we willing to admit that we spend more than we can pay the interest on?


they yell and scream when we even talk about cutting proposed increases in the budget! Of course they aren't serious about real cuts. Look how they demonized Ron Paul just for wanting to return to spending levels of 2004...

The Left won't budge on cutting social programs and welfare
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The Right won't budge on cutting defense
= we keep spending until the money is completely debased and the dollar is rejected as the reserve currency

Obama who criticized Bush for taking out a credit card from China and running up the debt is now dowing the same thing to no end. Im afraid we are looking at a complete collapse sometime in the next decade if we don't do anything about the spending.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyMon Jan 07, 2013 7:01 pm

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neither the repubs or dems are going to lower the budget or cut government. Our zero based budget will always see increased spending based on the previous years budget.

My question is how are we going to sustain this level of spending. At what point are we willing to admit that we spend more than we can pay the interest on?

guess you forgot about when Bill Clinton left George Bush a surplus

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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyMon Jan 07, 2013 8:54 pm

Birdofthad wrote:
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neither the repubs or dems are going to lower the budget or cut government. Our zero based budget will always see increased spending based on the previous years budget.

My question is how are we going to sustain this level of spending. At what point are we willing to admit that we spend more than we can pay the interest on?

guess you forgot about when Bill Clinton left George Bush a surplus

the BUDGET DEFICIT was erased NOT the National Debt. Those are two very different things. The Deficit is the difference in each individual years budget between what the tax collectors bring in and what Congress spends.

So you are very wrong and honestly even if you were right clinton is long gone, so instead of spouting out some false information from over a decade ago why dont you look at the facts we have now and what we can do to eliminate the growing debt.

The brief moment the budget deficit was erased had alot to do with a republican controlled congress along with the clinton tax hikes and the dot com bubble which brought in hunderds of millions of unprojected tax revenue

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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyMon Jan 07, 2013 9:16 pm

Birdofthad wrote:
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neither the repubs or dems are going to lower the budget or cut government. Our zero based budget will always see increased spending based on the previous years budget.

My question is how are we going to sustain this level of spending. At what point are we willing to admit that we spend more than we can pay the interest on?

guess you forgot about when Bill Clinton left George Bush a surplus

Not an actual surplus, but was running pretty close to even.

Unlike the schlop we've seen since.

The idea of raising the dept ceiling yet again is ridiculous.

Cuts need to be made, across the board cuts.
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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyTue Jan 08, 2013 12:27 am

Conservatives have been saying this forever, yes even during Bush.
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Conservatives have been saying this forever, yes even during Bush.

Including defense cuts? U sure?
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Conservatives have been saying this forever, yes even during Bush.

Including defense cuts? U sure?

Not defense cuts, no. We were in the middle of a war. Why on earth would you cut then when there are thousands of other BS to cut that did hurt our soldiers and safety.

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PostSubject: Re: Rubio and Paul for 2016   Rubio and Paul for 2016 EmptyTue Jan 08, 2013 10:33 pm

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Conservatives have been saying this forever, yes even during Bush.

Including defense cuts? U sure?

Not defense cuts, no. We were in the middle of a war. Why on earth would you cut then when there are thousands of other BS to cut that did hurt our soldiers and safety.


So in other words not "across the board".

But to answer your question of :"Why on earth would you cut then when there are thousands of other BS to cut that did hurt our soldiers and safety."

I'd say: Because much of the defense budget has nothing to do with the war. And now that the wars are ending, everyone should be all for cutting the defense budget WAY back.

And of coarse one could argue, fairly persuasively imo, that going into Iraq was not in the best interest of our soldiers, our safety, nor our financial situation, to begin with.
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