Was no one else disgusted.......

Primetyme199 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

If a soft clean punch scores better then a partially blocked hard punch that hurts a guy, if that is the letter of the law, then the books should be burnt.

and partially landed? why would a punch that lands but is not fully clean not score?

So the blow should be scored but then shouldn't it also be scored as good defense for partially blocking it?

The biggest problem is that there are too many things left open and not set for scoring. It needs an overhaul imo. Heavier strikes count more then softer strikes by the rules but what is the cutoff? If fighter A lands 7 heavy strikes and fighter B lands 13 softer strikes who should win the round?

No, I wouldn't give anyone points for partially blocking a punch(if anyone was giving points to Hamill last night as he lay on his back then that guy should not be scoring fights). If a guy throws a punch and completely misses, then no points should be scored. Heck in many cases the guy throwing punches that miss still gets points for being the aggressor.

What honestly needs to be done is for people to write the Athletic Commissions and voice their concerns and try to get the rules changed or at least enforced the same way all over.

Primetyme199 wrote:

I'd call it more interpretation then discretion and that's where the problem lies. It needs to be set so you don't have all these weird scores by people. Make it a universal system that clearly shows what is what.

There is no way to do that. I'm not sure if there needs to be an major overhaul or not. But there is no way to take out the human element, perhaps it could be tightened, perhaps it could be made more clear, but the scoring will always rely heavily on the judges opinion.

[quote="captain organic"]

Primetyme199 wrote:

I'd call it more interpretation then discretion and that's where the problem lies. It needs to be set so you don't have all these weird scores by people. Make it a universal system that clearly shows what is what.

There is no way to do that. I'm not sure if there needs to be an major overhaul or not. But there is no way to take out the human element, perhaps it could be tightened, perhaps it could be made more clear, but the scoring will always rely heavily on the judges opinion.[/quote]

Absolutely. Judges need to be trained better and know the game. I've seen too many times someone getting a takedown and just laying on top doing nothing while the bottom guy goes for the sub attempts and the guy on top gets the round because judges have said "well he was on top more". Another problem honestly is the judges have great seats, no dout about it, but they can't see it as well as we can from home. The TV angles can be much better then from sitting in the chair, between the ref blocking the view to the fighters across the cage/ring and not being able to see what lands cleanly. There has been a suggestion to have a monitor next to the judges so they don't miss anything that happens because of a bad angle or view.

Disgusted???? Not at all I'm a fan of this not to mention there have been much worse beatings and more bloody matches than that. That was nothing.

Some points about this horrific thread.

1. No one was seriously worried for Hamill's life were they? Get a grip on reality.

2. Partially blocked shots count in scoring. Effective striking is how the rule is typically scored. And even if some where it says "clean", no one is stupid enough not to count a shot that partially lands and does damage. This isn't a video game. Shogun-Machida already forgotten I see?

3. Steve Maz made a huge error not stopping the fight before the final two elbows.

4. The elbow rule is ambiguous and retarded anyway and should be stricken from the rule books immediately.

5. Jones was classy regardless of the horrible robbery that took place.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Some points about this horrific thread.

1. No one was seriously worried for Hamill's life were they? Get a grip on reality.

2. Partially blocked shots count in scoring. Effective striking is how the rule is typically scored. And even if some where it says "clean", no one is stupid enough not to count a shot that partially lands and does damage. This isn't a video game. Shogun-Machida already forgotten I see?

3. Steve Maz made a huge error not stopping the fight before the final two elbows.

4. The elbow rule is ambiguous and retarded anyway and should be stricken from the rule books immediately.

5. Jones was classy regardless of the horrible robbery that took place.

^^
This.

Agreeing with Wolfy again! Next thing you know we will have to get married.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Some points about this horrific thread.

1. No one was seriously worried for Hamill's life were they? Get a grip on reality.

2. Partially blocked shots count in scoring. Effective striking is how the rule is typically scored. And even if some where it says "clean", no one is stupid enough not to count a shot that partially lands and does damage. This isn't a video game. Shogun-Machida already forgotten I see?

3. Steve Maz made a huge error not stopping the fight before the final two elbows.

4. The elbow rule is ambiguous and retarded anyway and should be stricken from the rule books immediately.

5. Jones was classy regardless of the horrible robbery that took place.

1)As Hamill lay there, after taking a full minute worth of brutal gnp, not moving, blood pooling in his eyes, yes I was indeed worried about Hamill.

3)Maz made a huge error not stopping the fight 30 secs b4 the illegal elbows were thrown.

Hamill didn't get up because of his shoulder, not the elbows. He was in no danger and a cut on the nose was no reason to think he was.

I think it should've been stopped a little earlier but I don't blame Mazagatti for waiting. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Very few of those shots landed flush.

Sucks for Bones that he lost a fight he was clearly dominating. That kid is going to be great.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Hamill didn't get up because of his shoulder, not the elbows. He was in no danger and a cut on the nose was no reason to think he was.

Does the shoulder explain why 2 guys had to hold Hamill up during the in the cage interview 10 minutes after the fight was stopped? Hamill could not stand on his own 2 feet cause his shoulder?

He's just never taking a beating like that