Vitor let up when he heard the pops

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/9/24/3381906/ufc-152-results-jon-jones-vs-vitor-belfort-arm-bar

Quote :

"I've always had great respect for Jon Jones and know he is a great champion. When I felt his arm snap, I decreased the pressure, and he got out. Simple as that. During the bout, he managed to work his elbows well (from the top), but I was never afraid. But he was very good in the fight."

I call bullshit.

freakzilla wrote:

I call bullshit.

Why? Makes sense to me. Jones seemed like he was stuck, his arm was bending the wrong way. Then it appears Vitor lightens up. It atleast looked that way.

Either way...he let up and got beat because of it. I believe him though. He had that on pretty tight. As a fighter since the 90's Vitor knows better and should have broke it and had the ref stop the armbar or fight.

if this is true its instinctual to let up but if he was injured like other rumors state you would think injured dog psyche comes into play and he would have just took the arm home with him

Cu Bu wrote:

if this is true its instinctual to let up but if he was injured like other rumors state you would think injured dog psyche comes into play and he would have just took the arm home with him

If he had the Paul Harris or Aoki mentality. That arm would prepping for surgery right now.

Vitor > Rousey

Ali wrote:

Vitor > Rousey

What do you mean by that? Are you implying that Vitor did the right thing by letting off?

OU wrote:

Ali wrote:

Vitor > Rousey

What do you mean by that? Are you implying that Vitor did the right thing by letting off?

Yes. Not really a big fan of breaking limbs when it could possibly ruin careers.

Ali wrote:

OU wrote:

Ali wrote:

Vitor > Rousey

What do you mean by that? Are you implying that Vitor did the right thing by letting off?

Yes. Not really a big fan of breaking limbs when it could possibly ruin careers.

Then you should be in favor of fighter tapping out. Broken limbs are on the fighter not tapping, not the fighter trying to win the fight. If you aren't at risk of the fighter breaking your arm, then why tap? It's 100% on the fighter to tap to prevent injury. You want to play tough guy? You deserve the prize waiting for you.

Why Vitor, Why????

Should hav snapped it and tore it out of the socket as far as I'm concerned

then set it on fire and beat him with it/

Should have channeled his inner mir

Yeah you have to have that inner dog in you to snap the arm, I don't see Vitor with that mentality, check that Vitor did not have that mentality and that cost him the belt.

if this is true perhaps it's time for vitor to hang up the gloves?

i can understand the instinct to let go when you hear cartilage and sinew popping but the octagon is probably not the place to be if you feel that way. i've little doubt that jones or any other opponent would've snapped his arm clean off without a second thought given the opportunity.

If true,and I believe it is, Vitor letting up cost him what would have been the biggest victory of his career. He's a fan favorite already, but not only would he have beaten the most hated man in MMA, he would have flat busted his arm? Man, gotta break that thing. Instead he's just another victim.

freakzilla wrote:

I call bullshit.

I don't. Why would he make that up? it just makes him look like an idiot for loosening up.

BS excuses are usually made when trying to save face.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

I call bullshit.

I don't. Why would he make that up? it just makes him look like an idiot for loosening up.

BS excuses are usually made when trying to save face.

BS excuses are usually made after losing.

freakzilla wrote:

KingsOwn19 wrote:

freakzilla wrote:

I call bullshit.

I don't. Why would he make that up? it just makes him look like an idiot for loosening up.

BS excuses are usually made when trying to save face.

BS excuses are usually made after losing.

...to save face.

i dont see that here. If he got it extended enough to pop it, he could have snapped it..he just didnt. He blew it by not Mir'ing it.

Yeah he not only had a chance to win the title and beat the most hated man in the sport right now but he would have completed 1 of the biggest upsets in MMA history. At least by the odds.

Theres a lot of nice guys in this sport. Vitor is one of them. Knocking somebody out cold is one thing, but forcefully snapping bones takes reptile blood. For example, do you think GSP would break somebodys arm if they werent tapping? I don't think he would. Otherwise Dan Hardy would have been finished by technical submission IMO.

Vitor had that arm fully extended, it was complete. The pop is usually enough and then Vitor stopped extending probably thinking Jones would eventually tap or maybe there would be some sort of technical submission depending on what Vitor thought the pop meant.

I don't think it was a strength thing becaue strength is pretty moot when your arm is completely straight with somebody having it locked up. Jones didnt use some masterful technique. He waited it out. Belfort lost that arm bar because eventually the grip loosens and Jones waited it out enough and Vitor stopped extending..and i believe that he didnt snap it when he could have because when an armbar is at the point where that armbar was, the guy trapped in the armbar is at the mercy of his opponent and it's clear what happened.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Theres a lot of nice guys in this sport. Vitor is one of them. Knocking somebody out cold is one thing, but forcefully snapping bones takes reptile blood. For example, do you think GSP would break somebodys arm if they werent tapping? I don't think he would. Otherwise Dan Hardy would have been finished by technical submission IMO.

Vitor had that arm fully extended, it was complete. The pop is usually enough and then Vitor stopped extending probably thinking Jones would eventually tap or maybe there would be some sort of technical submission depending on what Vitor thought the pop meant.

I don't think it was a strength thing becaue strength is pretty moot when your arm is completely straight with somebody having it locked up. Jones didnt use some masterful technique. He waited it out. Belfort lost that arm bar because eventually the grip loosens and Jones waited it out enough and Vitor stopped extending..and i believe that he didnt snap it when he could have because when an armbar is at the point where that armbar was, the guy trapped in the armbar is at the mercy of his opponent...Vitor showed too much mercy.

In that instance for the title u have got to make him tap though. If he doesnt tap then u have no choice.

Strength has pretty much nothing to do with an armbar. Nobodies arm is stronger than the hips and trunk of another man. With the right amount of leverage and position Mighty Mouse could snap Bones arm.

Ludo wrote:

Strength has pretty much nothing to do with an armbar. Nobodies arm is stronger than the hips and trunk of another man. With the right amount of leverage and position Mighty Mouse could snap Bones arm.

Agreed but I think now we are more going over does Vitor have the killer instinct?