How long before biden steps down for CLinton ??

Ya man heupel was a classic overachiever, whites knees just blew up, he was a good qb., on the thread topic I think Hillary goes to senate or congress and gears up for 2016. Biden is a great politician and worked with republicans . He also calls them out and doesn't pull punches . Te mans been through a lot in his life and if the worst thing you can say about a politician is he is to honest and prone to make gaffes I'll take that opposed o Lyon and flip flipping while making gaffes.

I don't think most people realize what's going on , Rick perry came out and said He wants I overturn the civil rights act .

Considering how many cases of voter ID fraud there was in Pennsylvania (0), it's sure sounds like a good thing they got this pink triangle thing going...

Birdofthad wrote:

Ali wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

well Ali, you should realize, that Republicans are trying to keep black people and mexicans from voting in states like Florida, Texas, etc. It was a fair comment and anyone with a brain that realizes states attempting to violate the Civil Rights Act is in fact trying to suppress a large portion of a populations vote.

It was a fair statement, look up all of the lawsuits currently taking place because of this voter suppression.

There's better ways to get across your point than " they're trying to put Y'ALL back in chains."

no it was actually a very true point.

Black people were slaves in this country until 1865.
THey didn't have the right to vote until 1968


Republicans have tried (including my Governor Rick Perry) to overturn the Civil Rights Act.

Its a blatant racist attempt to take away minorities votes.

Everyone in that audience knows what Biden was talking about and so does the majority of this country, the Federal Government has had to sue certain states for attempting to block people from voting.

Biden was and is right. The republican party would prefer a good portion of this countries votes to be suppressed, Republicans realize they have lost 4 of the last 5 elections (yet somehow Bush was given 1 of them). They also realize that the states such as Florida and Texas are on the verge of becoming full fledged Democratic states (Florida is a swing and Texas is a purple state). How do they avoid losing those states and others like that? They make sure certain people can't vote.

I officially think you have lost your mind.

yes bird is oggy on the teeter totter

hahah thats the best you two can come up with in the face of stark facts.

hahah i laugh at how pathetic your arguments and claims are. Its comical to watch you two attempt to use blatant lies, then ignore facts , to claim Im the loon. Ya have fun when the FED government overturns your bullshit voter suppression.

The Texas Republican Party has released its official platform for 2012, and the repeal of the landmark Voting Rights Act of 1965 is one of its central planks.

"We urge that the Voter Rights Act of 1965 codified and updated in 1973 be repealed and not reauthorized," the platform reads.

Under a provision of the Voting Rights Act, certain jurisdictions must obtain permission from the federal government -- called "preclearance" -- before they change their voting rules. The rule was put in place in jurisdictions with a history of voter disenfranchisement.

have fun negging pure hard facts!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/27/texas-republican-party-platform-voting-rights-act-repeal_n_1632455.html

Some elected officials, including Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a Republican, have since argued that the rules put an unfair burden on certain places and not others. Texas is one of nine states that must obtain preclearance before changing its electoral guidelines.

The declaration by the state's GOP comes as Texas continues protracted fights over voting rights on several legal fronts. U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder blocked the state's recent voter I.D. law, citing discrimination against minority voters. And a federal judge earlier this month heard motions in a lawsuit filed by Project Vote, a voting rights group that tries to expand voting in low-income communities, that claimed the state's laws made it illegally difficult to register new voters.

Critics say voter I.D. laws like the one in Texas make casting a ballot particularly cumbersome for the young, seniors and the poor, who are less likely to have official state identification, as such laws often require. Others have noted the I.D. laws will reduce turnout among groups that tend to vote for Democrats, like young people, the poor, African Americans and Hispanics.


have fun supporting this, its fucking pathetic

Birdofthad wrote:

Some elected officials, including Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a Republican, have since argued that the rules put an unfair burden on certain places and not others. Texas is one of nine states that must obtain preclearance before changing its electoral guidelines.

The declaration by the state's GOP comes as Texas continues protracted fights over voting rights on several legal fronts. U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder blocked the state's recent voter I.D. law, citing discrimination against minority voters. And a federal judge earlier this month heard motions in a lawsuit filed by Project Vote, a voting rights group that tries to expand voting in low-income communities, that claimed the state's laws made it illegally difficult to register new voters.

Critics say voter I.D. laws like the one in Texas make casting a ballot particularly cumbersome for the young, seniors and the poor, who are less likely to have official state identification, as such laws often require. Others have noted the I.D. laws will reduce turnout among groups that tend to vote for Democrats, like young people, the poor, African Americans and Hispanics.


have fun supporting this, its fucking pathetic

So people should vote with identification? Yeah... I'm sure that will keep voter fraud in check and prevent groups like Acorn from stuffing the boxes. You dog eaters are all the same.

have fun living in your fantasy land

We should be ashamed of ourselves.

As November’s presidential election looms, we aren’t really paying attention to a growing movement to keep some people from voting.

Once again, when it’s not us, we don’t care so much. But if any American is not allowed to vote, as happened in the 2000 presidential election, then our entire democracy is a fraud.

GOP-led efforts to combat what they claim is a major issue of voter fraud prompted lawmakers to propose 62 voter photo-ID bills in 37 states. Lawsuits have been filed in numerous cases, most notably in Pennsylvania, where a judge is slated to decide the law’s fate soon. (Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder derailed legislative efforts here to fuel the voter suppression train.)

Here's the problem with the GOP effort: Voter fraud via impersonation is so rare that there have been only 10 cases since 2000, according to a new study released out of the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication at Arizona State University.

"Despite the push for strict voter ID laws in a charged partisan and racial debate, the most exhaustive study ever of American election fraud reveals the rate is infinitesimal," according to News 21, the voting rights project conducted by 24 students from 11 universities across the country.

The project found that, since 2000, there had been only case for every 15 million eligible voters.

So this great Republican-led effort to ensure fair elections is based on a fear that, like most political fears, is overblown and possibly fraudulent.

Passing a voter-ID law to prevent voter fraud is like passing a law to prevent black beauty salons from opening on Mondays. For the uninitiated, almost none do.

It’s like passing a law to prevent doctors from operating without gloves or a law to prevent the demolitions of buildings with people in them.

That study, that amazing project that once again affirmed the need for the kind of great journalism that was a part of America’s birth, also found that:

• “Photo ID laws and other new voting restrictions disproportionately affect minorities, students, the disabled and the elderly. "

• “More than half of the state bills proposing photo IDs originated from people affiliated with the conservative, pro-business American Legislative Exchange Council. Since the model photo ID legislation, known as ALEC's 2009 Voter ID Act, 62 voter ID bills were introduced in state legislatures."

• "Changes to Florida's voting laws will reduce the state's in-person, early voting time frame. This includes the Sunday before Election Day, when African-American churches traditionally organized caravans of parishioners to polling places, known as 'Souls to the Polls.' "

The issue is a complex one.

A new Washington Post poll found that nearly three quarters of people surveyed felt that voters should have a government-issued ID to vote.

But only about half knew anything about efforts to pass new voter ID laws across the country. And about half considered voter fraud as a major problem.

But -- and this wasn’t a part of the poll -- few of the respondents had any idea that they had little to fear.

I’ve read testimonials, editorials and position papers that compare the need for voter ID to the identification process to get on a plane, drive a car or write a check. I used to be one of those who wondered what the big deal was.

The deal is this: The GOP is targeting people, particularly black people and older people who may not do those things anymore or young people whose permanent residencies still remain with their parents.

There are seniors who no longer fly, who have paid their mortgages, who don’t drive and who no longer have an ID. They have spent decades walking into their polling places, showing the voter registration cards that were mailed to their homes and doing something that they had to fight for, that their ancestors had to fight for: the right to declare a preference.

If you’re someone who hasn’t kept up with the issue and you don’t see what the big deal is: Imagine that you’re an 85-year-old woman who owes no one, no longer drives and looks forward to voting. And you walk into your polling place and are asked for something that you haven’t needed in 10 years: Proof that you’re an American, proof that you are supposed to get that ballot, mark it and give it back to America.

If you can imagine that – and you can understand that the very problem that the GOP voter-suppression effort aims to end isn’t really a problem - then imagine this.

One day, it could be you.


you are making yourself look really really stupid when you live in a state were the governor says he wants to overturn the Civil Rights Act and you try and justify him.